Saturday, October 13, 2012

Terry Jones: Bigot or American Christian Patriot?

Aug. 01, 2010 - Gainesville, Florida, US - *EXCLUSIVE* Pastor TERRY JONES poses for a portrait at Dove World Outreach Center. ''We believe that Islam is of the devil, that it's causing billions of people to go to hell, it is a deceptive religion, it is a violent religion and that is proven many, many times,'' said senior pastor JONES. On September 11th, 2010, from 6pm - 9pm, we will burn the Quran on the property of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, FL in remembrance of the fallen victims of 9/11 and to stand against the evil of Islam,'' says the church's Facebook page. (Credit Image:  Omar Vega/
John R. Houk
© October 13, 2012

Terry Jones is the “Burn the Koran Pastor”. Terry Jones is running for President. The combination of the two pieces of information has kind of made Jones a joke not to be taken seriously. It probably does not help Jones’ aspirations by being very supportive of the Mo Movie Innocence of Muslims. Look at the picture of above. That white hair and thick white handlebar moustache gives him the appearance of a modern day John Brown. John Brown of Harper's Ferry fame 2

Now here’s what I think about Terry Jones. I am not a happy camper with Islamic Supremacism and the West’s tendency to kowtow to a religion that bills itself as peaceful yet everyday one can read or view Muslims in Muslim lands persecuting non-Muslims in the most horrendous of ways as well as treating non-Muslims and women in general as second class individuals with little to no rights of free expression. Islamic Apologists and Leftist Multiculturalists insist we non-Muslims respect and not offend Muslims less out of concern about the free expression of Liberty and more out of the high probability Muslims will go berserk in the streets expressing their … err coughreligion of peace. Burning a Quran or two isn’t killing someone as Muslims do when they go berserk with Islamic Supremacist anger over being insulted.

I wonder would happen in a Christian majority enclave in Muslim Egypt if the Christians went on a rioting rampage if a few Muslims kidnapped a young Christian gal or numerous Christian gals to be forced to convert to Islam and then forced into marriage? I will tell you what will happen. So-called peaceful Muslims would form a pogrom like mob and maybe even get some help from Egyptian law enforcement and rampage through a Christian enclave pillaging, raping and killing. The West’s reaction to such Muslim aggression will be to offer some slap on the hand verbiage while Christians are being slaughtered then look the other way.

And yet this small potatoes Joe American and pastor of a small Church of 50 drives Muslims into a murderous rage and Left Wing diluters of the 1st Amendment into a rage to limit Free Speech by burning a Quran. Can anyone see the disparity in the cause and effect and to really criticize?

Anyway I’m a bit behind the curve by discovering an email from Stand Up America about Terry Jones going to Dearborn (Dearbornistan) MI to confront a High School community for punishing non-Muslims for fighting back when Muslims jumped and bullied them. Of course Edsel Ford High School and the Dearborn city and police officials deny this view. The denial is not unusual because when Christians go there to exercise their Free Speech and Religious Freedom Rights Dearborn’s Mayor and Police Chief have demonstrated a poor record in defending the 1st Amendment while looking the other way as Muslim mobs try to shut down Christians from exercising their Rights in the typical Islamic Supremacist fashion of violence.

The excerpted email reads like this:


October 10th, 2012

MEDIA CONTACT:  352-371-2487 or 352-871-2680 (Stephanie Sapp) or

STAND UP WALK OUT Wednesday 1pm#Dearborn #Muslim #Bullying #EdselFord #DHS #Fordson #OperationLetsDoIt (352) 371-2487 @DrTerryDJones
tweeting from @Stand_UpAmerica

New Article:

Stand Up America Now will be coming, today, to Edsel Ford High School, in Dearborn, Michigan, to protest the bullying of non-Muslim students.  This is typical of the Islamic population as it grows in numbers.

We have been contacted by another parent of an Edsel Ford High School student concerning Muslim bullying and fighting that occurred there, on the same day, in May 2012 which required the Dearborn Police Department to respond. 

Here are excerpts from the email:

" son and others were jumped and suspended for the remainder of the year and faced charges for racial intimidation and incite to riot. The arabic children returned to school. I fought this, given the fact that my son has been called nigger on several occasions and the response was "they didn't mean it like that" but when I ask that they take the context in which my son said something the context is not considered. They try to desensitize my child to a word that provokes violence but defend the arabs. NOT right. My daughter is called slut and whore when she participates in cheer because she shows too much skin when visiting Salina on East dearborn. I am fed up with this district and HAPPY it is being exposed. Finally maybe something will change and the country will recognize there is a problem in this community."

As we see the outbreaks of violence in the Middle East concerning the film "Innocence of Muslims", here in America and in western countries, we see a definite lack, again, of Islam condemning those terrorist attacks.

Let us join together, stand up and protect our rights in America of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of the press.

On October 11th at 6:00pm ET, we will be at Queens Park, in Toronto, Canada, where there is also a Muslim problem.

Location of Dearborn protest:
Edsel Ford High School
20601 Rotunda Drive
Dearborn, MI 48124
Wednesday, October 10th, 2012

Terry Jones and Wayne Sapp will be joined by Rabbi Nachum Shifren, Candidate for the California Senate.

Thank you,
Dr Terry Jones
Stand Up America Now
Terry Jones for President 2012

"Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don't want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men."  U.S. General George S. Patton, June 5th, 1944

I wish I could have posted this in time for what few readers I have to also promote the rally to demonstrate against Muslim bullies.

The link in the email goes to an October 9 post at Stand Up America that adds a bit more detail:

Questions for Dearborn ~ Terry Jones

Submitted by Fran
2012-10-09 16:13

Why did Dearborn’s mayor, chief of police, and Edsel Ford High School principal officiate a special meeting at Edsel Ford last evening?

Why have parent volunteers been recruited to supplement a massive policing effort tomorrow?

Why were student volunteers sent to each classroom at the high school today to explain what is happening and the special rules for tomorrow to students?

Why are Edsel students talking about being on lockdown tomorrow or about not coming to school because of swat teams being there?

Why will students will be dismissed from the back of the school? Why will police be around the entire campus and surrounding streets? Why will there be behind scenes security inside and out of the building?

Why did the school principle say that he was not aware of any tensions between the students at the school, when much of the parental concern at the meeting was not about Pastor Jones and his message, but with the tension caused by the racism and bullying?

How could the principle not be aware that last spring a group of white Christian students were bullied by aggressive arab Muslim students, out of shot of the hall security cameras, the white students were suspended and expelled but the Muslim students were sent back to class?
How could the principle not be aware that also last spring a group of black Christian students were bullied by aggressive arab Muslim students, the local police were called in to help, the white students were suspended and expelled but the Muslim students were sent back to class?

How could the principle not be aware that Christian and Jewish students are bullied in Dearborn on the streets and in the schools if they wear signs of their religious faith, crosses or kibbahs?

Why were 90% of the parents in attendance at last night’s meeting white in a school that is 95% arab Muslim? Where were the Muslims parents saying their children were not bullies and there is no problem with Terry Jones coming there because we are such a tolerant group of people?
Why did the Mayor belittle Terry Jones, at the meeting, saying, untruthfully, at past rallies Terry Jones has acted like a thug, provoking people? Why did the Mayor later change his story stating that Terry Jones and his supporters are typically quiet and very well behaved in their actions and demeanor?

Why are many supporters of Terry Jones blocked by police and barricades from joining Terry Jones at free speech events? Will this happen tomorrow?  Why are those who disagree with Terry Jones not allowed to come and express their opinion and talk with him at events? Does this police action not violent citizen’s first amendment rights?

Why does Dearborn deny there is a problem with Sharia and Muslims when there is such a drama and panic because Terry Jones wants to stand on a sidewalk and say there is a problem with Sharia and Muslims?

If sharia and Muslims are tolerant, why is criticism of sharia and Muslims and their Prophet Muhammad not tolerated?

Terry Jonesn Edsel Ford HS, Dearbornistan 10-10-12

Terry Jones may flash anti-Islam just as John Brown flashed abolition just prior to the Civil War, nevertheless Jones’ in your face wake-up call to expose Islam as an anti-American (i.e. anti-Bill of Rights – particularly the 1st Amendment) religion, but he has the guts to risk being labeled a lunatic to expose that Islamic incompatibility with American culture. In case you missed or forgot you primary school taught history, abolition was an American movement to free the slaves. Abolitionists were considered extremists right up until the Civil War between the States began in 1861. Even Northern anti-slavery minded people considered abolitionists on the extremist side.

In order to confront Islamic Supremacism it may be time to take a 21st century abolitionist approach to prevent the portions of Islam that contradict the U.S. Constitution from being practiced in the USA.

Here is an account of Terry Jones’ visit to Dearbornistan that is not in the tank for Islam. It is good to look at a view of Jones as a truth speaker rather than an inciter.

JRH 10/12/12
Jones Takes on Dearborn Again

October 11, 2012 7:59 PM

Wednesday’s rally by Terry Jones of Stand Up America! outside Edsel Ford High School came and went without dramatic event. Jones’s stated purpose for the rally was to call attention to bullying of nonMuslim students by Muslim students. Jones wanted to meet with the principal, who refused, and then wanted to meet with students while they were boarding buses after school got out, but he was forbidden to enter school property.

I expect most of that was school officials wanting to keep Muslim students away from Jones – not from fear of Jones, who has never been validly accused of any violence towards anyone – but to avoid a repeat of the Children’s Crusade of bottle and rock-throwing that broke out last summer when the “Bible Believers” at the Arab American Festival found themselves under attack.

Credit where it’s due, the Dearborn Press & Guide’s Joe Slezak has done a much more balanced job of covering yesterday’s event than other local media. (“Jones visit to Dearborn’s Edsel Ford High uneventful”).

For one thing, Slezak identifies at least two Dearborn parents who express support for Jones, citing their own experience of having children bullied by Muslim students, who apparently are treated with impunity in most schools. According to Jones, a third parent had emailed Jones “about an incident in May where their son, who is black, was suspended. She said that Arabic students called their son a racial slur several times and when he fought back, he was suspended but the Muslim students were not.” The presence of actual school parents supporting Jones lends credence to his stated reason for staging it, in spite of the popular notion that Jones is only doing this to get publicity.

Even if Jones is trying to get publicity for himself and his organization, (don’t most causes try to do the same? – look at the way BAMN shows up at EVERYTHING), that doesn’t mean that the problem he came to protest doesn’t exist.

Granted Jones that appealing  a champion.  But remember that he’s first and foremost a messenger. A distinction must be made between his message, and the wacky persona the media and Islamist leaders are trying to paint on him. His detractors call him a loon and a publicity hound to gain two objectives  by foul means: it makes it easier to disregard anything he says, and it scares away potential supporters who aren’t willing to face guilt by association with a person certified a lunatic by the liberal media and the Islamophile left.

But Jones’s message is not loony, nor crazy, nor, based on anything I’ve heard him say or that’s been quoted, is his message much different from our message or the message of many other anti-jihad sources. Nor is it a message of hate. It isn’t hate to be critical of a religion that’s in love with bloodshed and death.—and that maintains its religion-of-peace image behind a wall of lies.

Jones’s message at the rally, for instance, includes this (as reported in the Press & Guide and the Free Press:

§  “Muslims need to obey and respect laws of communities.”

§  “Islam is not a religion that tolerates any criticism.”

§  (Explaining his support for “Innocence of Muslims”): "Criticism is part of Western society."

§  Muslims have a difficult time integrating into communities.

§  As a Muslim community grows, it [becomes] more demanding.

§  There is a “radical” element of Islam that is violent and bans free speech.

§  “The Quran does teach that the Muslims are the best of all people.”

As far as I’m concerned, every one of those statements is a testable fact. Every one of them can be supported with ample documentary and historical evidence. Take away Jones’s General Bullmoose mustache and his endorsement of that crummy movie and his overall hard-guy image, and his message shouldn’t be controversial at all. It’s only upsetting for those already pre-disposed to object to any criticism of Islam.

Which unfortunately includes the media and most Dearborn public officials.
Terry Jones: Bigot or American Christian Patriot?
John R. Houk
© October 13, 2012
Jones Takes on Dearborn Again

What Is the Dearborn Underground?

We of Dearborn Underground are citizens of a patriotic, Midwestern American small town whose culture, local government, and especially its media, have been overrun by a cartel of bullies who've demanded that the only voices heard in Dearborn will be their voices: the voices of CAIR and the ADC--the voice of Al Jazeera--the voice of global Islamic Jihad. As a consequence, the voices of Dearborn’s majority, maybe even your voice, have been silenced and excluded from the public forum by editors and gatekeepers, perhaps from terror of being accused of Islamophobia. We have no desire to silence Dearborn's Muslims, but their leaders insist that our opinions, or any opinions that offend them, must be censored. Muslim activists have even persuaded state legislators to introduce a resolution intended to criminalize criticism of Islam in the press.

We at Dearborn Underground are trying to resist some of that. We don't know what's wrong with our leaders, our legislators, our newspapers, if it's that they're they're scared of beng called names, craven political opportunists, or just Costco-sized weenies. We don't care any more. We'll speak for ourselves now.

We don't hate anybody, we aren't anti-immigrant, we aren't religious bigots, and most of us are even rather pleasant if you got to know us. But we also know that our country is under attack by determined enemies--enemies who boast openly about what they've got in mind for us and our allies, namely, a grim choice between death and Sharia law.

But many of the same threats and lies spouted by religious leaders way over there in Tehran, in Gaza, or in videos from Pakistan, are being said right here in Dearborn by Muslim leaders, and


  1. This is funny because you don't even have your facts straight. You should proofread everything before you post. It'll help not make you look like a dumbass. For example, Salina is not in East Dearborn. It's in the south. You just said that for exaggeration because there are a lot of Arabs in East Dearborn.

  2. Anonymous you focus too much on the triviality rather than the reason Terry was there. Muslim bullies pulling Islamic Supremacism on non-Muslims in Dearborn(istan).