Tuesday, July 19, 2011

Defending Walid Shoebat against CNN and Muslim Apologists

Walid Shoebat former terrorist

John R. Houk
© July 19, 2011

I posted a video that I found at that was a discussion between Walid Shoebat, Robert Spencer and Dr. Zuhdi Jasser. The discussion was about if Islam could be reformed.

There have been many people who have attempted to discredit Walid Shoebat as a phony. Amazingly the criticism has arisen even from those that I consider anti-jihadist writers such as Debbie Schlussel and Eileen Fleming. I wrote a commentary on accusations hurled at Shoebat in a 2008 post entitled, “What about Walid Shoebat?” This post was a commentary on Shoebat received donations and accusations of plagiarism. My conclusion in 2008 was that the accusations against Shoebat were a he said/she said situation about the plagiarism and I found no direct link of impropriety by Shoebat on donations. I did think Shoebat’s answering of the donation scandal in 2008 was a bit vague and made him look bad. It is not a crime to look bad.

I do know that Walid Shoebat as a former Muslim at the least and as a former terrorist at the worst has done an effective job of exposing actions done in the name of Islam that are directly related to Islamic holy writings. This is the point in which Leftists and Muslim Apologists love to interrupt to obfuscate the subject by telling of atrocities performed in the name of Christ or the Christian Church.

I have to chuckle for the interruption is a bunch of inconvenient flatulence. Did horrendous acts of violence, torture and death occur in history performed in the name of the Church? The answer is YES ABSOLUTELY! Did those acts of evil occur because Christ commanded in the Gospels or at the behest of the Epistles of the New Testament? The answer is NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Jesus spoke of living a life pleasing to God and to share the Good News He came to defeat the works of darkness in the spiritual realm and that His return would be a physical conquest of armies arrayed against the Kingdom of God. The Epistles affirm this by giving instruction on how to live a Godly life in a wicked world until Christ’s Return.

Contrasting this with Mohammed’s actions and commands we find a history of Muslim holy writings commanding humiliation, violence, conquest and death until Islam is spread over the whole earth in the physical realm. The Mohammed example is the call of reforming purist Muslims we call radical Islamists that wish a reestablishment of a Caliphate and a resurgence of violent conquest in the name of Mohammed the prophet and his deity Allah.

When you hear a Muslim defending violent Islam because of the Christian past of violence is a bunch of taqiyya and/or Kitman. The portrayal simply is not an accurate picture that justifies the present. Nations that have a Christian heritage have drawn closer to the desire of a peaceful coexistence to humanity in the present. Nations that claim an Islamic heritage are still living the rules of prejudice and human rights violations that existed in medieval Muslim days when Islamic empires were scourging the earth to give the conquered the stark choices of convert, live a life of humiliation or die. The phrase “still living” means life in Islamic nations is PRESENTLY AND STILL a life of repression for non-Muslims. For Muslims living in Islamic nations, life becomes dismal if you break a Sharia principle such as homosexuality, adultery and apostasy. The penalty is not a tongue lashing or a shunning. The penalty is prison or death depending on the Muslim nation.

What is taqiyya?

The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.

Falsehoods told to prevent the denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media such as the claim that Islam is a “religion of peace”. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart. (Warner MacKenzie; Islam Watch; April 30, 2007 – read entire article)

What is kitman?

“Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.” (Excerpted from Contra Costa ACT page which in turn excerpted it from Jihad Watch)

Now that I have set up an understanding of taqiyya and kitman we can simplify the terms as lying for the cause of Islam primarily directed toward non-Muslims.

Now it is time to proceed to the comment interchange between DesiRockMetal and me about the veracity of Walid Shoebat.


Yes Walid is a good guy.


Yes, if a good guy in your dictionary makes a living out of lieing (sic). It's people like you why America has become a s**t hole.


Walid Shoebat is a former PLO terrorist that converted to Christianity after a lifetime of radical Islam. The Islamic practice of taqiyyah (sic) (deception) is not part of the Christian Scripture. Shoebat is now devoted to expose the brutality that exists in Radical Islam and of his former Islamofascist comrades in the PLO.


People like you don't know the first thing about Taqyyia (sic). Lieing (sic) in Islam is forbidden unless you must lie to save your life from an imminent life threatening situation. Contrary to your belief, deceiving others to futher (sic) the cause of your religion exists in the Bible, for example, 1 Corinthians 9, verses 19-23. Read for yourself. Also, this lieing (sic) bastard (Shoebat) has just been exposed by CNN. He's running a scam to make money and his stories are false.


Desi either you don’t understand the full implications of taqiyya or you are practicing this art of Islamic dissimulation. As to 1 Cor. 9: 19-23 (NKJV) let us all read this portion of Scripture:

19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law,[a] that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God,[b] but under law toward Christ[c]), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as[d] weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.

The obvious context is NOT lying to people to deceiving them into Christianity, rather the context is to be a servant-minded person on a level one can understand. Instead forcing one to be a Christian it is about communicating on a level that is understandable rather than a platform of supremacism such as convert or die.

Now let’s look at the reality of CNN (Communist New Network) and deceiving Muslim apologists as it relates to Walid Shoebat.
CNN’s 2-part CAIR-sponsored attack on Walid Shoebat

Posted by Walid Shoebat
July 17, 2011 12:01 am

Walid Shoebat spoke at a Department of Homeland Security event in Rapid City South Dakota on May 11th. It was not promoted outside that state but the Hamas-affiliated (CAIR) Council on American Islamic Relations had been calling on DHS to ban former Palestinian terrorist turned Christian and anti-Islamic fundamentalist, Walid Shoebat from speaking there.

SHOEBAT – No other major national media showed interest in the conference except CNN. Typically CNN ignores Walid and gives him little if any air time. CNN sent two investigative journalists Kathleen Johnston and Drew Griffin to cover the conference from Atlanta GA which is a long way to travel to visit a small conference in a state with such low population.

The only conclusion is that the journalists or others at CNN were tipped off to this event by CAIR and jumped to their rescue. CAIR’s obvious strategy is to discredit people like Walid Shoebat so that the truth does not get to the American people.

Another very curious development took place when Johnson and Griffin stated to the DHS that they were interested in reporting on the whole conference; Shoebat was one of several speakers. However, CNN focused exclusively on Shoebat’s speeches and only wished to interview him and Keith Davies the manager for Mr Shoebat’s foundations.

The questions directed to both had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or how America can stop terrorism. No questions were asked based on the content of his four hours of lectures By Mr. Shoebat.

The only questions CNN asked had to do with funding: Were you paid $13,000 for speaking? This question was very revealing as about three years ago Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem and Zachariah Anani spoke for the air force academy and the amount paid to them for speaking at the event – $13,000 – was objected to at the time by none other than CAIR, who tried to have Shoebat barred from speaking there too.

The journalists only tried to focus on the money Shoebat was paid, the finances of the charitable foundation, the advisory board members, and the credibility of Shoebat’s story but never asked about the issues that Shoebat was invited to the conference to speak about. Shoebat offered to provide proof of his story but up until now, CNN has not contacted him in order to get it.

It appeared that the whole purpose of the trip from Atlanta by CNN was to come to the rescue of CAIR. CNN’s presence was clearly intended to smear Shoebat. The question needing to be asked is how involved was CAIR in that attempt. It will be very revealing once the report is shown on their network.

THE FOLLOWING ARTICLES MAY BE HELPFUL to show CAIR’s very inaccurate depiction of Walid:

Click here for additional footage of CNN’s disturbing bias.

Is CNN now doing the bidding of terror front organization? The circumstantial evidence is strong.

CAIR (Council for American Islamic Relations) made significant efforts to have Walid Shoebat stopped from speaking at the DHS conference in Rapid City SD on May 11. This was recorded on their website as well as confirmed by the SD department of public safety. Since CAIR was unsuccessful in this effort, it is a coincidence that CNN would fly two reporters and a cameraman from Atlanta to cover a relatively small counterterrorism conference in a remote town in Western South Dakota. The event was not advertised locally or nationally, or even to the general public, and only by invitation to local and regional police forces as well as first emergency responders. CNN has no bureau within nearly 1000 miles. They could only have known about it if they were tipped off by their friends, possibly over at CAIR who boasted that “they own the media” as stated by Ibrahim Hooper, communications director of the national office of CAIR. Let’s face it, CNN takes no real interest in issues of national security unless someone is being blown up.

From an interview I conducted with Mr. Shoebat regarding the CNN smear, Mr Shoebat related that ”the first question that Drew Griffin, the reporter, asked me was ’Are you are being paid $13,000 for speaking?’ He also stated he got this information from a “trusted source.” According to Mr Shoebat , the only time that this amount was paid was for three speakers at “the Three Ex-Terrorists” presentation who were invited by the Air Force Academy in Feb 2008. CAIR was the only organization that complained and made an issue of this. Did CAIR spoon-feed this question to Drew Griffin the “investigative journalist” who was hunting down Mr. Shoebat?

The second question posed to Mr Shoebat by the reporter from CNN, Drew Griffin, was “We called the Bank Leumi and there is no record of the bombing?”

This is is (sic) another favorite of the CAIR and left to discredit Walid Shoebat. This question actually discredits the people who ask it because the actual branch was shut down in 1996 because it was in the newly created Palestinian Authority. Another spoon fed question by CAIR?

While CNN may have denied on air that they have any connection to CAIR in running the story, we have an impeachable source that confirmed to us that CNN did cooperate with CAIR on this smear job. We would love to identify this person but it would compromise his work on counterterrorism.

CAIR, we found out, has been engaging in a massive email campaign against Walid Shoebat and sending the link of the story by CNN to all conservative and Christian media outlets in order to try and silence Mr. Shoebat’s voice. The source of this information was from the Aramaic Broadcast Network, a (sic) Arab Christian TV station that regularly invites Walid Shoebat to come on their programs.

CNN may not believe Shoebat’s story, but Mr. Shoebat does come from Bethlehem as they interviewed his fourth cousin, he does speak fluent Arabic with a Palestinian accent and lived in an area where Jew hatred is predominant; so even if CNN does not believe his story they might wish to listen to someone who can bring some real insight to the issues of Islam and the mindset of people who cause man made disaste (sic).

Let’s face it. CNN has become the voice of the Arab despostic (sic) regimes in the world.
SlantRight Note: Everyone misspells in comment sections because one is writing their thoughts down rapidly.

There is a good chance I will receive further comments or personal messages from DesiRockMetal. I will update if they are appropriate.


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