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Friday, October 21, 2016

A Frightening Preview of Hillary's America


The David Horowitz Freedom Center sent a for insightful essay by Daniel Greenfield that demonstrates what life probably will be like in Crooked Hillary’s America.

The essay is not linked, but I’m confident a simple Google search would find many locations for the essay.

JRH 10/20/16
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A Frightening Preview of Hillary's America 
Dark and unaccountable

By Daniel Greenfield
Dated: October 20, 2016
Sent: 10/21/2016 8:00 AM

Hillary Clinton, of all people, summed up this debate and this election best.

"What kind of country are we going to be?"

The Evita of Arkansas is a compulsive liar who has never told the truth in her life. But this time around she was right. This election does not come down to the personalities. It comes down to the kind of country we are going to have. And in the third debate, the one that took a break from the petty haranguing of media lackeys like Lester Holt and Martha Raddatz, the issues took center stage.

The core issue came into focus with the very first question asked by Chris Wallace. Wallace asked Hillary and Trump if their vision for the Supreme Court was based on the Constitution or not. Hillary launched into a spiel about a Supreme Court that would stand for class warfare and gay rights. The only time she mentioned the Constitution was when she insisted that the Senate was constitutionally obligated to confirm Obama's nominee. That is her vision of the Constitution; a document that grants her power to reshape the country without regard to the Founders or any previously existing rights or freedoms.

It fell to Trump to speak of justices who would "interpret the Constitution the way the founders wanted it interpreted". And that is the core issue. Personalities and politicians come and go. Today's trending topic has been forgotten a day later. Outrages explode like fireworks and then fizzle out.

The weapons of mass distraction have been deployed and detonated. They keep going off in blasts of media gunpowder to divert our attention from whether we will live under the Constitution or under the Hillary. Will we have the rights and freedom bound into the Constitution or corruption justified with cant about the need to defend the oppressed by giving unlimited power to the oppressors.

The final debate finally focused on the issues. Instead of leading with the scandals, it asked about gun control, amnesty and open borders. It asked what kind of country are we going to be?

And, are we going to be a country at all or an open border weeping undocumented migrants destroying what's left of the middle class as the masterminds rob the country blind while preaching piously to us about all the poor Syrians, Mexicans and LGBT youth they want to protect?

Americans have had a preview of the country that Hillary Clinton would create under Obama. They received yet another preview of it at a final debate in which Hillary echoed Obama's Orwellian language in which endless spending was dubbed "investing" and in which government would save the middle class by regulating and taxing it out of existence for the greater good of the officially oppressed.

Hillary Clinton promised free college and cradle to grave education that would be debt free. Americans would be the ones plummeting deeper and deeper into debt to pay for degrees in gender studies. She promised viewers pie in the sky to be paid for by higher taxes on the rich. But as Trump pointed out, that's the class that her donors come from. Did Warren Buffett and George Soros invest all that money into her victory just to pay higher taxes? Did they do it right after they bought the Brooklyn Bridge?

Or will Americans buy the bridge believing Hillary's promise that she "will not add a penny to the debt"?

The only way Hillary can hope to do that is to appoint Bernie Madoff to be her Treasury Secretary.

When Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump wrangled over tax hikes or tax cuts, the debate is whether crooks like the Clintons should have a massive pot of taxpayer money to "invest" into their donors.

But beneath it is the same big question; do we live under the Constitution or under the Hillary?

In Hillary Country, just like in Obama Country, there are always more "investments" to make and you had better pay your "fair share". There are always special identity group interests that need money. There are always more regulations, taxes, fines and fees. And it's all for the children.

The ones that Hillary will grimace at when the cameras are on her and nudge away with the point of her shoe when the little red light turns off.

But there is no lie that Hillary Clinton will not tell and no lie that her pet media fact checkers will not back her up on. Obama doubled the national debt and yet Hillary insists that, "We're actually on the path to eliminating the national debt". That might be true only insofar as we're approaching the point that no one will lend us any money. We're headed toward a $20 trillion national debt.

And Hillary's plans won't add a penny to the national debt. They'll add hundreds of trillions of pennies.

Hillary talked of bringing "our country together" and not "pitting of people one against the other" and instead "we celebrate our diversity". If she does half as good a job as Obama, these celebrations of diversity will climax with race riots across America. How exactly does Hillary plan to unite with the "deplorables" of the country? How has Hillary united anyone in the country except in disdain?

Hillary Clinton's entire campaign pitch is based on demonizing Trump and his supporters. She believes that if she convinces enough voters that Trump is the devil, they may hold their noses and accept the return of the corrupt Clinton dynasty and everything that it represents. That gamble is what we are seeing on the news. It is what we heard at the debate. Hillary cannot win on her own merits.

She warned at the final debate of the "dark, unaccountable money to come into our electoral system". It's hard to imagine a bigger source of dark, accountable money than a foundation being used as an international slush fund that has been beyond unaccountable.

But it's Hillary's vision of government that is dark and unaccountable. From the beginning of the debate, she made it clear that she does not wish to be accountable to the Constitution. Her email cover up made it painfully clear that she does not want to be accountable to the American people. Instead Hillary would like everyone in the country to be accountable to her. A mass of regulations and enforcers will force everyone to be accountable to the dark and unaccountable force in the White House.

"It really does come down to what kind of country we are going to have," Hillary repeated.

It does indeed. Americans have had a preview of the kind of country that Hillary would bring into being.

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Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

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Decision 2016: A Guide for Hillary & Trump Voters


Yesterday I posted on Donald Trump’s assertion that he would wait and see before making any commitment to honor election results titled, “If I Was Trump, I’d Examine Election Results TOO!” The focus of that post is the fact that Dems admitted in an undercover video that the American Left had been committing voter fraud for decades.

While I was looking around in research I discovered an even better video at the G+ Conservative Community that addresses all the lies and deceptions of Crooked Hillary in the third Presidential Debate.

JRH 10/21/16 (Hat Tip Kevin Cunniff)
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Published on Oct 20, 2016

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Thursday, October 20, 2016

If I Was Trump, I’d Examine Election Results TOO!


John R. Houk
© October 20, 2016

I watched the Presidential Debate from Wednesday Oct. 19 on Fox News. After the debate one thing the Fox analysts was astonished by Trump’s saying he may not support the outcome of the election to be held on November 8. And sure enough one of the analysts did a quite online perusal of debate headlines and they called condemned Trump for his unwillingness to commit to supporting the election outcome if he lost.


The thing is I did not even think Trump’s stand was even close to being outrageous when he said that. I mean most Conservatives are quite aware the Dems either directly or indirectly through surrogates, have done their best to rig or fix elections toward a positive Dem Party outcome for decades.

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked the Republican presidential nominee whether he would honor the election results despite his unfounded declaration that the election may be "rigged" against him.

"I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now. I'll look at it at the time," Trump replied.

Pressed again by Wallace moments later, Trump said he'll "keep you in suspense" about his decision. (Trump refuses to say whether he will accept results of election: 'I will keep you in suspense'; By Maxwell Tani; Business Insider; 10/19/16)

If you examine actually said in Chris Wallace question and the Donald Trump response, YOU will notice the context was in view of decades of Crooked-Fraudulent election acts by Democrats and Dem surrogates in voter fraud. James O’Keefe through Project Veritas have caught the Dems in their own words saying the very same thing that Donald Trump was talking about!

Here’s the Debate context which includes a blurb of Crooked Hillary obfuscating Dem voter fraud by trying to change the subject about half-truths (contrarily meaning half-false) on Donald civil problems. Keep in mind folks that any civil problems Trump has or has had is dwarfed by Crooked Hillary’s felonious activities as Secretary of State that FBI Director James Comey choose to ignore OR was told to ignore by higher ups.



Posted by AL.com
Published on Oct 19, 2016

Donald Trump responds to a question over whether he would accept the results of the election.

AND NOW Project Veritas:



Published on Oct 17, 2016

In this explosive new video from Project Veritas Action, a Democratic dirty tricks operative unwittingly provides a dark money trail to the DNC and Clinton campaign. The video documents violence at Trump rallies that is traced to the Clinton campaign and the DNC through a process called birddogging.

A shady coordinated communications chain between the DNC, Clinton Campaign, Hillary Clinton’s Super PAC (Priorities) and other organizations are revealed. A key Clinton operative is on camera saying, “It doesn’t matter what the friggin’ legal and ethics people say, we need to win this m**erf***er." [Profanity editing by Blog Editor]

Website: http://projectveritasaction.com/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ProjectVerit... [Blog Editor: On browser this Facebook link comes up broken. After a Facebook search here are two pages related to the above link:]




NOW! Do you think should examine an election loss before conceding OR WHAT?


JRH 10/20/16

Hillary Debate #3, Kooky Clown Fools People HOW?

If you watched last night’s Debate, you will appreciate a video put together by Youtuber Barry Soetoro. If this video wasn't so sadly true, it would be Hillarious ... Oh wait did I just make a pun?

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Posted by Barry Soetoro
Published on Oct 19, 2016

HOW DOES KOOKY CLOWN HILLARY FOOL ANYONE? AT THE THIRD PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, CRIMINAL HILLARY SPENDS THE WHOLE SHOW SPOUTING NONSENSE. BUT HOW DOES THIS PATHOLOGICAL LYING MENTAL PATIENT STILL FOOL ADULTS?

IS THE USA SO BRAINWASHED THAT A BRAIN DAMAGED PSYCHOPATH MARRIED TO A RAPIST SEEMS LIKE A "GOOD OPTION" FOR THE WHITE HOUSE?

HOW DO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE STILL VIEW LYING, DIRTY HILLARY AS SOME TYPE OF "OPTION?" ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LITERALLY BRAINWASHED TO THE POINT THEY CANNOT RECOGNIZE A 40-YEAR CAREER OF FELONIES AND TREASON?

WHEN DID HALF THE USA STOP CARING ABOUT FELONS RAPING PEOPLE, CAUSING THE DEATH OF OUR AMBASSADOR (IN BENGHAZI), AND DELETING CLASSIFIED EMAILS AFTER CONGRESS DEMANDS TO SEE THEM?

HILLARY'S PACK OF RAPISTS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjyPxUZOx3w


HILLARY'S LOONY VAN AMBULANCE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDpiYfdYb-w

HILLARY CHEATS IN DEBATE #1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-G07OHrB4U

Sunday, June 7, 2015

Setting up McCloskey and Hunt Thoughts on Islam


John R. Houk
© June 7, 2015

Below is a dialogue exchange between Dylan McCloskey and William Hunt that is over a SlantRight 2.0 post entitled "Destroying Western Culture Destroys USA". That post was about Western Multiculturalism and its promoting the existence culture destroying immoral homosexuality and the religion of hate – Islam.

Dylan takes a Multiculturalist and atheistic stand typically accepting the propaganda that Islam is primarily peaceful as well as the atheistic stand that all religions are the reason for evil in the world.

William takes the stand that Islam is a violent death cult executing Christians from the beginning of its emergence. Allowing Islam to exist is the cause of violence in the world thus Islam should be eliminated for a better chance of peaceful coexistence between nations.

Dylan's position no matter how altruistic, if it becomes the global future culture as we know it will end. For we Americans who love the Liberty enshrined by our Constitution's Original Intent will lose that Liberty. Dylan's Multicultural altruism will end two bad scenarios. 1) One level of Marxism ranging from elitist illusory Socialist Democracy to just plain Marxist despotism in which an elitist oligarchy tell the people what is good from them. 2) A rejuvenated Muslim global conquest that eliminates rival religions, American forms of Liberty AND former cooperating Leftist Multiculturalists that thought they were using Islam to aid in destroying Western Christian Values. If scenario one wins out one will see the global eradication of all religious faiths because values will subvert Multicultural Secular Humanist Values that are made as it suits the elitists' socio-political designs.

William's position is more in line with my thoughts. He sees American Exceptionalism and Constitutional Liberty as the socio-political platform as the only hope for harmony if not globally at least in a strong America. Where William enters into controversy is his perception that only an eradicated Islam will bring greater peace globally.

I understand William Hunt's emotions. Until 9/11 I disliked all religions except my faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God, BUT as an American I stood by the Constitutional 1st Amendment Religious Freedom for all. I thought of Islamic terrorism as no more different than the Communist Soviet/Maoist terrorism that assaulted the free world. Even after Khomeini took American hostages with diplomatic immunity I was more disgruntled with Iranian revolutionaries attacking Americans without accountable consequences than the Twelver-Shia Islam responsible for attacking Americans.

After the 9/11 diabolical attack that resulted in thousands of deaths on U.S. soil I began to lump Islam alongside Marxist-Communistic ideology that cannot coexist with the Liberty and Freedoms of the U.S. Constitution nor the Christian Values that I thought could not be diminished because of the Religious Freedom and Free Speech guaranteed in the First Amendment.

It was after 9/11 that I embarked on studying Islam to understand why it was so hateful. This is when I discovered that Islam's most holy book the Quran encodes the physical destruction of Jews and Christians if they do not submit to the superiority of Islam. In Islam lack of submission is represented in the Religious Liberty for a Christian to openly share that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died on the Cross and arose from the tomb three days after the Crucifixion. That core belief of Christianity is considered blasphemy in the Quran. Such open blasphemy insults Mo and Allah. Those who insult Islam must die now before there is any afterlife judgment. That makes Islam an antichrist Religion.

Ergo I have reached a conclusion similar to William Hunt that as long as Islam places Mohammed and the Quran on the highest pedestal of authority then Islam cannot coexist with American (or Western for that matter) Liberty and Freedom. BUT to advocate the extermination of Muslim adherents is no better than Hitler's holocaust against Jews or the hundreds of millions slaughtered by the commands of the Quran as recited by Islam's considered perfect man Mohammed.

The New Testament Word of God tells us that it is God's Will that all humanity be Saved and experience Christ's deliverance from Satan's grip to be transferred into the Kingdom of God's dear Son. That means genocide is not an option. So how do we deal with the haters of non-Muslims?

I view the only solution to confronting Islam is to force a modernization of that religion which is harsh I realize. The religious leaders of Islam must expel the Medina portions of the Quran along with the Hadith and Sira that brings validation to the Medina surahs of the Quran. Also the areas where Islam dominates must be forced by a military if needed, is for other religions to bring their message to give people an authentic choice without fear of Muslim retribution. Of course I favor Christianity, but in the spirit of Religious Freedom other missionary religions should have an equal shot. Ergo either Islam must transform or the Muslim dominated areas experience Free Choice. That includes those I consider idiot atheists to present their concept that no God exists as long as it doesn't infringe on the non-violent missionary religions.

I say this about atheists because when atheist embraces the ideology of the various forms of Marxism, those atheists tend to favor the same kind of violence as Muslims in forcing submission.

So feel free to pick a side or a modified choice of the dialogue exchange between Dylan McCloskey and William Hunt and add your thoughts. Try to separate yourself from the snarkiness that McCloskey and Hunt began to devolve into.

JRH 6/7/15
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Google + link to Discussion:

May 19, 2015
I know some nice Muslims. The post is very ignorant and doesn't fly by the Constitution. Muslims are just as stupid and bad as every other religion. It has more to do with where they are from than what they believe. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and most Muslim nations, the people are poor as f**k and look like they are living over a hundred years behind. All religions are population control. 

May 19, 2015

+Dylan McCloskey that's a ridiculous statement. It's been proven time and time again, there are no moderate Muslims, only combatants or dissidents in hiding. Their basic cultural beliefs do not blend with any civilization. There will be no peace on this planet until Islam is no more. It's a death cult, there is no love or forgiveness in a death cult.

May 19, 2015

+William Hunt​ How much do you know about Islam? There are radicals in all religions. These radical Muslims are living in countries ruled by tyrants who take all their money and make them live in filth and disease, not to mention make their women slaves. Most worship Islam because, just like any other religion, they were born into it. The Muslims that live in America, and that are born here have not been causing problems. Most of them I know are more respectable than average people, and much more friendly than most Christians. I don't hear or see Muslims that live in America talking s**t or starting anything with anyone. It's because they teach to keep to their own and take care of their own. What you give back, you receive. Not to mention, real practicing Muslims don't drink or smoke. All religions are cults. They take money from people and then let them believe they will go to heaven for their generous charitable contribution. As the priest rapes their sons in the ass because that's what God intended... All religions are stupid and disgusting, to me personally. I don't care what religion you are, but I'm not going to say one is better than the other either… 

May 19, 2015

+Dylan McCloskey​ I've read and studied Islam in great detail. And to say all religions are evil is a lie. I've never been stabbed by a practicing Buddhist. I've never had my life threatened by a Christian. I and my very American culture have never been declared the enemy in an asymmetrical plan of warfare by any other religion.

Islam must be stopped. It must be destroyed. There will be no peace until it's burned to the ground and the ashes swept into the sea.

Death to Islam! Two shoes on your head!!

May 19, 2015

+William Hunt​ You are crazy bro. What religion are most people in our prisons? Buddhism is not a religion, it's a philosophy... And Islam has been around before anyone said the words "Death to America"... You are an idiot....

May 19, 2015

Dylan McCloskey  [Dylan you say] "you are crazy".

No, I'm not. I have a difference of opinion. Not tolerated by Islam. The result is my life being threatened. Or my family killed. I AM labeled an infidel from birth, by a cult of death.

[Dylan says,] "What religion are most people in our prison"

The prison population of America is a mixture of Islam and new Christian converts. Some atheist, some Buddhists, some Catholics, etc. All of them are criminals. What is the population of Islamic countries, what are their crimes? And how many have been put to death for crimes against Allah, the pedophile?

[Dylan says,] "And Islam has been around before anyone said the words death to America"

And in two hundred years without Islam, America has become the beacon of Freedom, and the light in the darkness for countless generations, and for countless cultures and people. America is the corner stone of all technological & medical advancement. Tripling the life span of the average human. Creating life, where none existed before.

And where is Islam in all this? In nearly two thousand years, Islam has oppressed and murdered countless innocent souls, molested and murdered millions of children. Never advancing beyond mud huts and the 50 year life span. You are all savages, and should be exterminated for the safety of the human race!

You and your kind are the epitome and the very reason the word "idiot" exist!!

Death to Islam!!!! Death to the molester prophet MoHammad!!!


May 19, 2015

+William Hunt​ You speak out your ass from what you think you know. I expected better from this community. You can't say death to Islam and not expect to be called crazy at the least...

The most popular religion among prisoners is Christianity by a long shot. Atheist don't make up 1%. Again Buddhism is not a religion. How many Christians are sex offenders and child molesters here at home? You are the worst kind of stupid. 

May 19, 2015

+Dylan McCloskey​ And there it is. You don't answer the important questions. I'll pose a few more. How long does an infidel last in a Muslim community, in an Islamic country. Versus, an Islamic follower in a Christian majority community?

What is the religious make up of prisoners in an Islamic occupied country? What crimes can get your head cut off? Besides sneezing in public, or praying to the wrong God?

There will be no peace on the planet until Islam is no more.


May 19, 2015

Islam is a death cult

May 19, 2015

MoHammad didn't want his followers eating swine because Allah was a pork lover. He loved the control of his swine lovers. He loved pork so much he incorporated it into his name. Mo"ham"mad. Mad for pork lovin'

May 20, 2015


We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all. Most of us took a prolonged period of time to study, evaluate and contemplate on Islam, the religion of our birth. Having meticulously scrutinized Islam, we concluded that it is not a religion of peace at all, as touted by smooth-talking, self-serving Muslims and their apologists from non-Muslim backgrounds. The core of Islam—that is, the Qur'an, Hadis and Sharia—is filled with unbounded hatred of the unbelievers, is unbelievably intolerant toward them, and is extremely cruel and merciless to Muslims who dare to deviate from its doctrine. We also realized that Islam is beyond alteration, because Muslims—who attempt to modernize and reform its unremitting bigotry, irrational rituals and its cruel and draconian punitive measures—are targeted for annihilation. Our verdict was that the only way to escape from the tyranny of Islam is to leave it altogether. We have, therefore … READ THE REST (Who are we? Islam-Watch About Page – "Who are we?" excerpt by Blog Editor)


+William Hunt​ You are a nut. America doesn't have a religion to follow, you can worship what you want or not at all. That is called freedom. These countries full of Muslims don't have that. Like I said before, the religion isn't necessarily why these people are f**k*d up, it's the people who control the Muslim nations by fear. Some of that fear stems from Islam. But Islam hasn't claimed a fraction of a percent of American lives, as much as Christians have killed their own here at home.

There will be no peace on the planet until all religions are recognized as false. And after that, comes a new world order. To single out Muslims is low and ignorant. Some of the sexiest and smartest girls I know are Muslim. I have Muslim friends. They all have the same things in common. They are clean, educated, polite, and have money.

May 20, 2015

+Dylan McCloskey You are a child. You don't have the knowledge or fear of Islam knocking on your door. Killing your family. Hunting your children. Wiping out entire villages.

None of your family have died at the hands of one of their barbarians, yet.

Islam is a death cult that has slaughtered millions of my people. I will never forget. We will never forget. Islam is a death cult. We will fight to the end. We will resist!!

Islam must be stopped. We must not forget the women and children slaughtered in the name of the false prophet, and child rapist, Allah.

Those that continue to follow Allah carry the guilt and shame of all those murdered in the false prophets name.

Death to Islam. Shame to all those that follow in his name. Shame to all those that support the murderous evil cult.

You've made your choice. My people have made theirs. We will fight. We will no longer be victims of the false prophet's [Muslim] killers [of non-Muslims].

Death to Islam. Piss be upon you.


May 20, 2015

+William Hunt​ How old are you? You sound like a child. A scared, insecure, little boy. I'm a grown ass man who has been all over and have experienced quite a lot of different cultures. I have been to colleges in the North and South. The Muslims you are so frightened of are the same radical Muslims everyone else [is] weary of. The Muslims that live here, why do you think they live here? Because it's insane over there. Have you ever researched the Crusades? It doesn't matter the religion, it's the ones dictating the people. That is what religions do. Have people act and do as they see fit... It's not a hard concept. You are just rude, angry, and scared. Those are all personal problems you need to fix.

May 20, 2015

+Dylan McCloskey​ You insult my people. The death of millions. The near genocide of my culture and behave as though, that was some trivial moment in my history. Then you try to justify your love for Islam. Your ignorance will be your undoing.

Islam is a death cult.

You are part of the problem. You are an enemy of the civilized world.

Normal healthy people do not belong to a death cult.

Islam must be destroyed. And the soldiers of Islam eliminated and washed into the sea. There will be no peace on this planet till the complete death of Islam.

You haven't felt the loss, yet. You can't help but be blind.

Soon you will know the truth. And you will not be loved by Islam, you will not be its friend. You are and infidel by birth. Even if you convert, you will be a slave and not a man.

Death to the false prophet. Death to Islam. Shame on all those that follow the false prophet and carry his evil plan. 

May 20, 2015

+William Hunt​ Continue to reiterate your hate message... You sound exactly just like them, brainwashed and robotic. Like you have a message on a recorder you play over and over... I never said I love Islam. You are trying to put words in my mouth. Nobody cares about this post and thinks you are a moron, hence why I'm the only one commenting back. Hopefully you stop acting like a dumbass.

May 20, 2015

+Dylan McCloskey​ It's not a message of hate. It's a warning. I must repeat it, you and your kind must have at least a fighting chance. You will make excuses for Islam. You will embrace Islam. You are a fool. How can you possibly know all the opinions of this group? You are projecting your ignorance. Beware. You will have a discussion to make. You are either for freedom and life. Or the death of the civilized world via Islam the death cult.

Your childhood ended when you started making excuses for a genocidal death cult.

Piss be upon your false, child molester, prophet.

And by the way, you keep replying because you want to force your opinion. "Convert or die" Just like Islam, they do not like to lose, and if they can't win, someone must die.

Make good choices. Be a good person. Stay away from the allure of the death cult. Stay away from their followers. They have already surrendered to the cult. Fight for life. Not death. Otherwise you are the enemy of civilization.

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Edited by John R. Houk
All text in the McCloskey-Hunt dialogue embraced by brackets are by the Editor.




Friday, September 10, 2010

The Facts Staring a Muslim Apologist in the Face



John R. Houk
© September 10, 2010


This is an exchange concerning my comment in which I will summarize by saying that Mohammedanism/Islam is a demonized religion. A gentleman at the social blog community of Multiply who goes by the blog entitled - Roberts Rants, Ravs, Observations, and other silly ideas that kept me out of good schools – took umbrage of my description of Islam. According to the link associated with that Multiply profile title the person’s name is Robert Paul Locke which may or may not be his actual name. Many bloggers use a pseudonym for purposes of anonymity. My wife wishes I would use a pseudonym because of my outspoken thoughts concerning Islam. She fears retribution from the religion of peace. Below is the first response by Robert.

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http://robertpaullocke.multiply.com/ September 8, 2010 6:09 PM


For those who believe that Islam is a Devil Inspired religion. I got news for you. You got your information wrong. How Do I know you got your information wrong. (sic) While you guys sit here and bash and believe anything you read on the Net. I did the intelectual (sic) thing, and bought a copy of the Koran, and I am reading it. And I don't see anything about Islam being all Evil and Dangerous. How sad I feel for you. You live in what is referred to by many as the greatest country in the world. We have access to thousands and millons (sic) of publications that promote tolrance (sic) and understanding, but you much rather Hate something you don't trully (sic) understand. If you are getting sources from Just Right wings groups your (sic) not going to get the whole picture. Why won't you people open your minds and open your hearts? Heres (sic) something to ponder while you waste another day bashing and yelling. "Those Who are with out (sic) sin may first cast the first sone (sic)."
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My Rebuttal to Robert:


Robert while you read your Quran you should know something about it. NUMBER 1 is the Quran is not written in chronological order rather it is written from longest surah to shortest surah. Even though the suras are organized in this fashion the suras written later than the earlier suras carry more weight. The Quran is not written chronologically yet the chronology is highly important to a Muslim theologian. Because of the Muslim doctrine of dualism combined with the weightier later suras, a Muslim does not consider there to be any discrepancies. Thus when the earlier suras say to honor the people of the book (i.e. Christians and Jews), a Muslim will not blink an eye when that person comes to Kill them wherever you find them. Then as you read the Quran keep in mind that the Hadith though not considered perfect in Islam is still highly revered as authoritative depending on who wrote (or recorded) a Hadith. It is in the Hadith that most of the vileness of Islam is located. The Hadith are the explanations of Mohammed's Quranic suras. So Robert make sure you read the Quran with an Islamic understanding of Islamic theology before you shout from the rough tops about how peaceful and beautiful that book is. (I ran a spell check on my original comment.)
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Robert’s Response:

robertpaullocke wrote September 8, 2010 at 7:09 PM


You guys are not going to convience (sic) that the religion of Islam is all that Evil. Especially, when christains (sic) have done more harm in the name of God than Any one. Have you forgotten Slavery, done in the name of God, Killing off the native Americans in the name of God. (sic - should be a question mark) The crusades. (sic – should be a question mark) Even some how (sic) I don't know how, but People convinced prototesant (sic) churches to join up with the Klan. And they still to this day believe that the white race is Gods (sic) only race., (sic) We have done more destruction in the name Of Jesus than any thing. And yet I bet if some how Jesus came down from Earth and said you were wrong. you'd syone (sic) him any way because he isn't white. Oh in speaking of the victims of 9/11. Did you know that besides the terrorist. (sic) There were innocent musliums (sic) who parished (sic) in the 9/11 attacks. (sic – should be a question mark) I bet if you looked up a few names you'd see it there. So why aren't you honoring them as well? Not just white people died in the towers. I'm tired of you Right Wingers always looking for Evil every where (sic). You started off with the commies after world war two, (sic) and now its (sic) all Musliums (sic) are Evil. They are out to get our White Women. Just like the Niggers and wet backs are.
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My Rebuttal (not posted as a response at Mele’s Constitutional Governance post):


Robert says Christianity is the most evil of religions. Robert justifies this bald-faced lie by equating slavery was done in the name of the Christian God, the killing of Native Americans was perpetrated in the name of the Christian God and the atrocities committed by Crusaders was executed in the name of the Christian God.

This is a common accusation utilized by anti-Christian Leftists and Muslim apologists. Were these acts of violence and murder really done at the behest of the Christian God or were the acts executed by humans justifying atrocities by wrongly claiming they were following the will of God? I am telling all who are reading this that blatant acts of senseless violence and murder done in the name of the Christian God was and is done by the human will for either materialist-political reasons or warped interpretations of Scripture using a call to arms or someone following the direction of God (Old Testament) and not lining up the Old with Jesus being the fulfillment of the Law thus fulfilling the punishment directed by the Law against sin. Jesus is all about delivering humankind from the evil instruments of Satan’s dark lordship established by Adam’s disobedience to God Almighty the Creator of all that exists.

There is no dualism in Christianity in which senseless violence and mercy are both truth as it is in Islam. Here are some examples of dualistic truth in Islam:

Quran Sura Al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2: 256 (in three English translations):

YUSUFALI: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

PICKTHAL: There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

SHAKIR: There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.


The "no compulsion in religion" sura is abrogated by Quranic At Tawba Sura 5: 33-34:

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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

PICKTHAL: The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

SHAKIR: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

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YUSUFALI: Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


A significant amount of Sura 5 to this point is on dietary laws and claiming that Jews and Christians (aka People of the Book) have forgotten the original word of Allah that has been around for time immoral thus Jews and Christians are not to be believed in any assertions that are contrary to the Quran. This is the case even though Mohammed lived over six hundred years after Christ and thousands of years after Judaism and the written Quran occurred after Mohammed’s death from the memory of Mohammed’s companions charged with memorizing Mohammed’s words. Since Mo received a revelation from an angelic entity attributed to Gabriel and directly from Allah then of course (tongue in cheek) the Biblical Scriptures are a lie if they disagree with the dysfunctional memorized words of Mohammed. And since those People of the Book are such liars if they press or defend themselves against Mohammed’s Allah they must be killed. That is of course with imminent death being near they say, “HEY, that Allah dude is of a truth God and Mohammed is his last prophetic authority.” Then and only then is the will of the all forgiving Allah’s mercy to prevent the murder of a Jew or Christian who converts to Islam. SO MUCH FOR THE EXISTENCE OF NO COMPULSION OF RELIGION in Islam.

In the Quran both are true: kill the non-Muslims that talk against Islam AND there is no compulsion in religion. The duality makes both true yet in the situation that advances Islam compulsion or death is true because those words were spoken later than the “no compulsion” words.

Here is a larger list of Quranic Suras in which the earlier is abrogated by the later: Abrogated Suras.

Is slavery instituted in Christianity?

NO! New Testament Scriptures on slavery are about how a Christian should act if he or she is a slave. You will find not find a Scripture in the New Testament in which Christians are directed to propagate the faith by war and dehumanize the conquered and enslave the vanquished or make women objects of sex-servants. When Christianity became institutionalized as the State religion by the Roman Empire after Emperor Constantine acts of rape and violence undoubtedly happened by Roman armies that fought under a Christian Cross. Were these atrocities part of Christian Scripture? Again NO!

Is slavery, dehumanization of spared non-Muslims and sex slavery a part of the Quran or found in the revered writings of the Hadith and Sira? YES!

Slavery

“Like numerous passages in the Hebrew bible and the New Testament, the Qur’an assumes the permissibility of owning slaves, which was an established practice before its revelation. The Qur’an does not explicitly condemn slavery or attempt to abolish it.” (Islam and Slavery: The Quran)


I’ll have to give that to Robert about Islam theologically. Think about this though: Long after slavery became past thought on the European Continent, slavery has been practiced in Islamic dominated areas. The various locations in which purist Islam is practiced slavery is still pervasive in its existence. The examples are Sudan and Saudi Arabia.

Still there are the more erudite than I who have performed an exegesis of slavery and the Quran and have come up with salient points that place the Quran in a poor light other than what Islamic apologists would have non-Muslims (kafir) believe. A capital offense even today in Muslim dominated lands and an excuse for terrorism or just plain murder in Western lands.

Sex Slavery (Emphasis mine):

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YUSUFALI:
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war, and the daughters of thine uncle on the father's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the father's side, and the daughters of thine uncle on the mother's side and the daughters of thine aunts on the mother's side who emigrated with thee, and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage - a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers - We are Aware of that which We enjoined upon them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess - that thou mayst be free from blame, for Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


Quran 4: 24

And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.


The poor souls who chose to be resolute to their faith when their lands were conquered by blood thirty Muslim conquerors became dehumanized as a dhimmi that was expected to submit to most humiliating of treatment particularly in paying a tax Mafioso like for protection. A protection extended ONLY by accepting humiliation. Any effort to demand self-respect by a dhimmi was a death sentence for insulting Islam, Mohammed and Allah. The souls devastated in India made the suffering of the conquered People of the Book look like a picnic. And make no mistake: the conquest of primarily Christian populations in the Middle East, North Africa and Europe suffered so horribly that centuries of Islamic humiliation had made those conquered areas like 90% Islamic (Okay so it is a subjective guess, but I’m willing to bet it is a logical guess). Indians suffered mass deaths and tortures until some Muslim elite discovered there was more profit in exploiting the Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh and Jain Indians than obeying the words of the Prophet to destroy all polytheist pagans.

Catholic Christianization of Latin America mirrored the Muslim brutality of Christians and Jews of the Middle East, North Africa and Europe. The majority of North and South America became a Spanish culture by virtue of conquest and the huge nation of Brazil is the remnant of Portuguese conquest which enforced it’s version of the Catholic Church on Native Americans (at least of urban areas). Eventually interbreeding with Hispanic colonialists made a unique Catholic-Latin American culture that has obvious influences among the poor of their Native American heritage.

The conquests of the North American Native Americans took a less brutal yet still a horrendous path. The earliest interaction between the English and French started out on a foot of building alliances favorable to colonialists. Native Americans viewed these initial alliances as built on honor while the colonialists viewed alliances as a political time to achieve a peaceful life apart from persecution of the Christian faith that may deviate from the Established Church of England or of Continental European immigrants. Ultimately economics and property won over the colonialists more than religion and that is when true expansionism began that usurped more and more Native American land. There was little of the intermarriage between Protestant Christians and Native Americans; thus Native Americans faced tribal extinction of forced migration West until the West ran out of space. Christianization of Native North Americans proceeded mostly as they accepted American Colonialism and later American Culture into their midst in the East and on forced Reservations in the West. If Native Americans were the victims of Islamic conquest their culture would be a mere footnote in history for their polytheistic and/or animistic religious practices would have placed them in the same class as the Hindus of the Indian subcontinent. Which would have meant total eradication of Native Americans not just forced evangelism of Protestants and Catholics.

One of the most ludicrous of blame games is to bring up the atrocities of the Crusades as an equal comparison of Islamic Conquest. The simplistic reason for the initiation of the Crusades is because a Muslim Turkish leader became a good pious Muslim and felt insulted that Christian kafir came on pilgrimages to the Holy Land. The vaunted Islamic toleration of Christianity claimed by Muslim apologists took a back seat as the Christian pilgrims became the victims of marauding Muslim thugs harassing, robbing and/or killing Christians as they journeyed to the land where Jesus walked before the Resurrection. In essence the Muslim marauders were being good Muslims by standing up for the Quranic edicts of refusing the insult of another religion other than Islam from flourishing in Islamic conquered lands.

The complicated and real reason for the Crusades to the Holy Land is much deeper than the excuse used to act against marauding Muslims. Recall that Islam had conquered the Middle East and North Africa and parts of Iberia (Spain and Portugal) prior to the Crusades that began in 1095. By the 700’s AD the brutal Islamic conquests had reached present day France. The Islamic conquest of Europe stalled at the Battle of Tours (or Poitiers) when Charles Martel (The Hammer) went medieval on the invading Muslim Amir Abd ar-Rahman in 732. Charles Martel effectively pushed the brutal Muslim out of France back to Iberia. The last Muslim stronghold of Iberia was finally ejected in 1492 when joint Monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella completed the Reconquista forming present day Spain. The Muslim toehold in Iberia is a good example of what Europe faced in preventing Islam to ravage it in the same way Middle Eastern and North African Christians experienced. From North Africa Muslims executed raids that resulted in destruction, booty and slaves. This is a better explanation for the occurrence of the Crusades. It was a rare occasion the Monarchs and Nobles of Europe banded together to give Muslims a bit of their own medicine. The unfortunate happenstance of the Crusades is the mirrored atrocities of Muslims. After hundreds of years of Muslim brutality the First Crusade unleashed an onslaught on the Muslims that would have made Mohammed proud if the Crusaders were Muslim rather than Christian. Using Muslim apologist thinking in reverse, the Crusader reconquest of the Holy Land was way less brutal in terms of time than the Muslim conquests of the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe.

Robert let’s end this rebuttal with your last words so typical of a Muslim apologist:

You started off with the commies after world war two, (sic) and now its (sic) all Musliums (sic) are Evil. They are out to get our White Women. Just like the Niggers and wet backs are.


When all else fails label a Conservative a Right Wing racist. I don’t think a rebuttal is necessary for this line of thought that is typically used when faced with the facts about the real Islam.

JRH 9/10/10