John R. Houk
© July 18, 2013
I received a comment from a Christian that was upset with me that I believe the Land of Israel is for the Jews because God gave it to the Jews by Promise. The comment was from a post entitled “YOU KNOW the USA and EU Work AGAINST Israel, Right?” (Cross posted at SlantRight 2.0) In essence the commenter seems to believe that when Paul calls Christians Spiritual Israel then the Promise to the Jews was replaced by Christians; ergo Christians replace Jews as the Chosen People.
In case I have read it wrong here is the comment:
After seeing one post awhile back i followed you, thinking i’d see some more reasoned thinking... Now I’ve UN-followed — because it’s a waste to hear the typical yammering by another neo-Conned religious dude who doesn’t get Romans 9 — where Paul clearly spells it out for us– who is an Israelite? Or you can read in Revelation 2 again about the false Jews. (Pray and meditate as your read, and look at the actions –unprovoked war against the US in 1967 — destroying the USS LIberty (ever studied that?)
Why do you think we were warned TWICE, in critical places of the Scriptures?
From the Rothschilds to British Zionists to the current Yahoo in charge, the Beast of Daniel 9 has effective control of your beloved brutal state... — SO Who really runs the machinery of gov’t there? Are they using our military brothers as stooges while the powers in media and even the 501 c 3 churches have fallen into the trap?
What good can Jesus do with a Neo-Conned church? (Bold Emphasis Mine)
The only reference to Jews in Revelations is a weak assertion that the Christians have replaced the Jews. For one thing Chapter 2 of Revelation is about Christian Churches that have strayed away from the principles that make a strong Church thus endangering their position in Christ. Revelation 2: 8-11
The Persecuted Church
8 “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write,
‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: 9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
11 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”’ (Bold Emphasis Mine NKJV)
The “Jews” the Apostle John is writing about by prophetic revelation are Christians that believe the Law must be abided by Christians with the emphasis of circumcision and ritual rites. The Apostle Paul did not have a problem with Jews that believe the Salvation work of Jesus Christ but he did have a problem with Jewish Christians forcing Gentile Christians to directly follow the Law. The Law culminates in Christ hence Faith trumps works of the Law to remain in Right Standing with God in Christ. (See Matt. 5: 17-20 and Romans 10: 3-13)
So when the commenter associates the term “Synagogue of Satan” with all Jews as a condemned people in the sight of God he/she is greatly mistaken.
For greater clarity on Jews as still the Chosen People or the people of the Promise through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob read what Paul says that the Promise to the Jews is by no means annulled:
Present Condition of Israel
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness.[a] 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law.[b] For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[c] (Romans 9: 30-33 NKJV)
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[c] (Romans 9: 30-33 NKJV)
Israel Needs the Gospel
10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel[a] is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”[a]
19 But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:
“I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”[a]
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”[a]
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:
“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”[b]
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”[b]
21 But to Israel he says:
“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”[c]
To a disobedient and contrary people.”[c]
Israel’s Rejection Not Total
11 1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?[a] 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Israel’s Rejection Not Final
11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!
13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[a] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[b] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
This is some clarity that the Promised Land is still the land of the Jews which is the Land of Israel – Eretz Israel.
Now let’s examine a few assertions by the commenter that has little to do with the Promise to the Jews and more to do with a bias against Israel which I perceive may even smack a bit of Antisemitism.
The 1967 War in which Jordan, Syria and Egypt AGAIN prepared to invade Israel with the intention to destroy, because of its Jewish nature the commenter insinuates an Israel attack on the USS Liberty was an overt act of war against the United States. The reality is AGAIN Israel was involved in a war of its survival and after Israel perceived an attack from the sea hit some IDF forces Israel retaliated based on the perception. Here is a good summary:
The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the attack was a tragic mistake.
On June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The United States had announced that it had no naval forces within hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the United Nations a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty, an American intelligence ship under the dual control of the Defense Intelligence Agency/Central Intelligence Agency and the Sixth Fleet, was assigned to monitor the fighting. As a result of a series of United States communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty, the ship sailed to within 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship shelling its soldiers and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty ‘screw and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled after a message was received at the White House that the Israelis had admitted they had attacked the ship.
Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's flag was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the flag was knocked down after the first or second assault.
According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore.1The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels.2 The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.
A CIA report on the incident issued June 13, 1967, also found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. After the air raid, Israeli torpedo boats identified the Liberty as an Egyptian naval vessel. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis, they responded with the torpedo attack, which killed 28 of the sailors. In 1981, the National Security Agency noted that accounts by members of the Liberty crew and others did not have access to the relevant signal intelligence reports or the confidential explanation provided by Israel to the United States, which were used in the CIA investigation. The NSA concluded: “While these [signal intelligence of Israeli communications] reports revealed some confusion on the part of the pilots concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American.”2a
The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.
Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3 Once the Israelis were sure what had happened, they reported the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and offered to provide a helicopter for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. The offer was accepted and a U.S. naval attaché was flown to the Liberty.
The Israelis were “obviously shocked” by the error they made in attacking the ship, according to the U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv. In fact, according to a secret report on the 1967 war, the immediate concern was that the Arabs might see the proximity of the Liberty to the conflict as evidence of U.S.-Israel collusion.3a A second secret report concluded, “While the attack showed a degree of impetuosity and recklessness, it was also clear that the presence of a U.S. naval vessel, unannounced, that close to belligerent shores at a time when we had made much of the fact that no U.S. military forces were moving near the area of hostilities was inviting disaster.”3b
Sorry commenter there was no intention of pre-1967 borders Israel taking on invading Arab armies and the super power the United States. That’s not smart thinking.
In Conspiracy Theory when it involves Jews, the international aspect of the Rothschild family has always figured large in the accusation of Jewish World Domination. Here is an example:
SECRECY IS THE HALLMARK of the Jewish Rothschild Dynasty. But I, Brother Nathanael Kapner, a former Jew, am intent on bursting the “Rothschild-bubble.” I am doing this because I perceive that the Rothschilds, (they are Jews), are the leaders, (they are secretive), in destroying Christian civilization throughout the world. (How The Rothschild Dynasty Operates; By Nathanael Kapner; Real Jew News; 4/29/08)
If the Rothschilds are involved in a NWO conspiracy I doubt that the little sliver of land known as Israel is a cog in that agenda. Here is some info that is probably closer to the truth about the Rothschild family in monolithic terms:
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There is no longer any such thing as a monolithic House of Rothschild with connections to any significant number of all the scores of today's independent Rothschild business ventures. The closest thing is Rothschilds Continuation Holdings AG, a Swiss company that manages interests in many Rothschild-founded institutions. There are no longer any Rothschild family members on its board (the last having retired in 2011), though about eight Rothschilds are believed to own stakes in it (like many holding companies, it's privately held, so its records are not public). Its other owners include Rabobank and Hong Kong based Jardine Matheson Holdings. The Rothschild funds it manages now focus on mergers and acquisitions. Make no mistake, it's a large and successful company; but with billions in assets, it's a relatively small fish in the sea of world financial institutions with trillions in assets, including Deutsche Bank, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group, HSBC Holdings, BNP Paribas, Japan Post Bank, Crédit Agricole Group, Barclays PLC, Industrial & Commercial Bank of China, Royal Bank of Scotland Group, JP Morgan Chase & Co., and many others. Anyone trying to point the finger at the scattered Rothschilds as "controlling" world banks has an awfully tall order. That little factoid is about 100 years out of date.
By my analysis, the Rothschilds are best thought of not as an evil shadow conspiracy, but as a great success story of rags to riches, Jewish slum to financing the defeat of Napoleon. The price of gold is fixed twice a day by five members of the London Bullion Association: Barclays Capital, Deutsche Bank, Scotiabank, HSBC, and Societe Generale, and they conduct their twice-daily meeting over the telephone. Today this is mere financial necessity, but until 2004, it was also a century-old tradition as great as the ringing of the bell at the New York Stock Exchange. The five distinguished representatives included a Rothschild, and they met in person in a paneled room at the London office of N M Rothschild & Sons. That ritual is now a thing of the past, as is the power of the world's greatest financial dynasty. (These are the last two paragraphs of “The Rothschild Conspiracy”; By Brian Dunning; Skeptoid; 5/22/12)
Scroll back up toward the top to read the commenter’s accusation of British Zionism and compare to these far out Anti-Semitic words:
The Davidic monarchy of Britain, and the rulers of all her allied/related nations; including America and parts of the Commonwealth like Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and others; have purposefully hidden their people's true Israelite identity/history from them.
http://www.jahtruth.net/heraldry.htm
To do this successfully, they have helped to promote the idea that the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9 / 3:9) - those who say they are Jews and are not, are the real "Israel", in order to draw attention away from themselves. When for the most part, these so-called Jews are actually Idumeans (from Esau/Edom), Ashkenazi (Genesis 10:2, 3) & Khazars.
Why have they done this? Why don't they tell their people the truth? Are they ashamed of belonging to the House of Israel?
http://www.jahtruth.net/heraldry.htm
To do this successfully, they have helped to promote the idea that the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9 / 3:9) - those who say they are Jews and are not, are the real "Israel", in order to draw attention away from themselves. When for the most part, these so-called Jews are actually Idumeans (from Esau/Edom), Ashkenazi (Genesis 10:2, 3) & Khazars.
Why have they done this? Why don't they tell their people the truth? Are they ashamed of belonging to the House of Israel?
The answer is simple when you look at it from their perspective. And is why the Davidic British monarchy gave over control of Palestine to the counterfeit-Jews, who say they are Jews, and are not. The “Elite” have done a deal with the Devil’s synagogue, for their own convenience and Elizabeth Battenberg/Mounbatten even inter-married with them, and then had their male children circumcised by a rabbi, as only counterfeit-Jews can be, under counterfeit-Jewish Talmudism. (The Counterfeit-Jew Zionist and Judahite British Elite Conspiracy; By cybe; 100777.com; 8/15/08)
Yeah, that’s some nutty stuff.
Then the commenter mentions “the current Yahoo in charge”. I had to think about that a minute. Then I realized Marissa Mayer has a Jewish last name, so I looked up her ethno-religiosity:
Is Marissa Mayer Jewish?
Yes, the new CEO of Yahoo!, Marissa Mayer is a Jew.
Hat tip to our friend David who points out, "I find it interesting that Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and as of Monday, Yahoo!, are all run by Jews." (Is Marissa Mayer Jewish? By Tzvee Zahavy; The Talmudic Blog; 7/16/12)
Hat tip to our friend David who points out, "I find it interesting that Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and as of Monday, Yahoo!, are all run by Jews." (Is Marissa Mayer Jewish? By Tzvee Zahavy; The Talmudic Blog; 7/16/12)
Jews in the 21st century are from religious to secular and even to atheistic in their belief system. I have no idea where MS Mayer stands on her heritage and this is not the place to do further research to satisfy my curiosity. Nevertheless I can see that the commenter is concerned about her Jewishness. And so we can conclude that the commenter is an Anti-Semite because of the obvious everything Jewish is evil mentality.
Daniel chapter 9 is about Daniel’s awareness that Jeremiah’s prophecy that 70 years of exile had elapsed which meant the time for the Jews to return home had come. In chapter 9 Daniel intercedes to God for mercy on the Jews’ past path that was so bad that God’s punishment was to exile them from the Promised Land. I am guessing the commenter presumes this is an example of God abandoning Jews because of sin. The reality is if you read the rest of Daniel 9 God Almighty gives Daniel a vision which for Christians has a double meaning. The first meaning was Jews indeed would return home and stay there until the Messiah comes. For the majority of Jews this has not happened, but for Christians that Messiah was and is Jesus Christ of the lineage of David in the flesh and the Son of God by incarnation. Again Jewish leadership became more worldly minded than spiritual minded losing their rebellion against the Romans which in turned emptied huge chunks of Jews into exile called the Diaspora. Guess what: When the Messiah returns again the Jews will know Him as Jesus the Messiah and Savior.
In my opinion it is a bit of an expectation that the majority of Jews in the present are wary of Jesus Christ as Messiah because of how the Christian Church forsook the love of Christ to persecute Jews as Christ-killers not realizing the Chosen People’s time of full restoration will not occur until Christ Returns. Modern Israel is the miracle that should signify to Christians the fullness of the times of the Gentiles has not happened yet but is getting closer.
Chuckle … The commenter quite cleverly lists Christians that agree with the Bible that the Jews are the Chosen People have been “Neo-Conned”. That is a reference to the name of the blog that the comment was actually left upon – the NeoConservative Christian Right (NCCR). My favorite blog to post on is actually SlantRight 2.0; however the NCCR is my secondary blog that usually benefits from cross posting.
It is true, even though Neoconservatism has bad a rap with the Left and many on the Right I have an affinity for this Conservative ideology. For myself I am a fiscal Conservative with domestic issues and a supporter of a big military to keep America strong, protected and free. Most Libertarian-Conservatives and perhaps a majority of Paleoconservatives lean to going back to pre-WWII days when America purposely kept the military small under an Isolationist Foreign Policy. Isolationism was good for its day when the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans served as a buffer against militarily powerful nations.
Japan bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 which signaled the end of ocean buffers as a protection for the USA. This means Isolationist policies will always be ineffective in protecting our homeland. Only a pro-active military will keep America the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
Another aspect of NeoConservatism was the concept of spreading American-style democracy to otherwise hostile despotic nations. The theory being a nation of laws might disagree with American National Interests but would be more interested in achieving a diplomatic solution to disagreements with a like-minded governing system.
I have since modified my agreement with nation-building after encountering actual hatred from Muslim citizens for delivering them from despotism. That anger is based primarily on the Islamic theopolitical dynamic that is totally the opposite of the Constitutional Freedom Americans have. Muslims have been totally brainwashed by their religion that politics and religion are equal partners in governance. Islam’s holy writings demand absolute submission to their deity Allah and absolute respect for their false prophet Mohammed in a socio-political sense as well as religiously. If the governing authorities fail to uphold this mind-set through a Muslim rule of law known as Sharia massive riots occur. There is no amount of nation-building that will change this Muslim-mindset without forcing a situation where the people are taught a system more accustomed to Liberty and Freedom.
In the 21st century an all-out war to conquer an evil religious ideology is Politically Incorrect. However, the all-out war concept to transform the minds of a conquered people is part and parcel of Islamic ideology from the days of conquering Mohammed through to the present time. That is the West’s current weakness.
Now back to the commenter. I suspect the commenter’s problem with NeoConservatism is less with its broad ideology but more with the movement’s historical figures which were often Jewish and/or Marxist in their thought process. Liberal Jews joined bewildered Marxists abandoning Communism due to the example of the abject failure Leninist-Stalinist and Maoist Communism to bring forth a civil free society. One famous Neocon brought forth this transformative thought: A Neocon is a Liberal mugged by reality (Loose memory of the original quote). I believe I have already established the commenter has a problem with Jews. You can see the antipathy and dislike then of NeoConservatism.
JRH 7/18/13
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