John R. Houk
© April 22, 2017
This is the post that follows Part One of “Disagreement on Conspiracy
Theory”. Here is an intro excerpt to provide an idea of the
theme for those who haven’t read Part One:
…
Yurki has sent a lengthy comment that demonstrates agreement with another NCCR
commenter using the moniker Futuret. Futuret leans more on the validity of some
of the Conspiracy Theories than I do.
There are many Conspiracy
Theories I concur with, yet many are simply beyond the believability scale
especially when I know some facts that contradict a Conspiracy Theory accepted
by way too many people.
…
…
I am disagreeing much of Yurki’s comment to Futuret by answering the premises
of the links and comments he has produced demonstrating agreement to the Political
Vel Craft link that pushes the theory that the Chemical attack on Khan Shaykhun
perpetrated by Bashar al-Assad … was a false flag perpetrated by Trump
Administration.
This time my comments will be in bold text from this
point on. Yurki’s text will be as he wrote except for quotes which will be
indented.
Image from here:
‘..And I saw thrones, and they sat
upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that
were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years..’
– Revelations 20:4
I can’t argue with the Word of God, right? When the Lord
Jesus returns in power, He will bring the final test of humanity inaugurating
the Thousand Year Reign at the end of which Satan will be released from his
chains for the final test of humanity.
I thought maybe the link above was related to the quote
below. It is not. I believe Yurki is refencing the Revelations 20:4 quote
above. The Sharia Unveiled link is an article wondering why the U.S. government
procured 30,000 guillotines.
I believe the point Yurki is making has to do with the
Tribulation period that occurs prior to the Thousand Year Reign of Christ. During
the Trib period those caught be Satan’s government that refused the mark of the
beast were executed by losing their heads. Popular modern interpretations of
this future execution was by using a guillotine.
In the Sharia Unveiled article there are three bullet points
which are followed by the Rev. 20:4 quote.
– The use of guillotines for
“governmental purposes” was lobbied for and passed in the U.S. Congress
– The information we received is that
15,000 are currently stored in Georgia and 15,000 in Montana
– Are the beheadings by muslims today
meant to condition and desensitize us against U.S. Government beheadings in the
future?
‘..And I saw thrones, and they sat
upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that
were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had
not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon
their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years..’
HB 1274 authorizes the state of
Georgia to execute citizens by guillotine:
Georgia House of Representatives –
1995/1996 Sessions HB 1274 – Death penalty; guillotine provisions Code Sections
– 17-10-38/ 17-10-44 A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT
1- 1 To amend Article 2 of Chapter 10 of Title 17 of the Official
1- 2 Code of Georgia Annotated,
relating to the death penalty
1- 3 generally, so as to provide a
statement of legislative
1- 4 policy; to provide for death by
guillotine; to provide for
1- 5 applicability; to repeal
conflicting laws; and for other
1- 6 purposes.
SECTION 1.
1- 8 The General Assembly finds that
while prisoners condemned to
1- 9 death may wish to donate one or
more of their organs for
1-10 transplant, any such desire is
thwarted by the fact that
1-11 electrocution makes all such
organs unsuitable for
1-12 transplant. The intent of the
General Assembly in enacting
1-13 this legislation is to provide
for a method of execution
1-14 which is compatible with the
donation of organs by a
1-15 condemned prisoner.
source: http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_guillotine_provisions_in_georgia.html
source: http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_guillotine_provisions_in_georgia.html
One question to consider:
If Georgia was planning to utilize
guillotines as a method of execution, how could this be carried out without
purchasing guillotines?
NOTE: Special Agent Ted Gunderson
wrote the original of this article prior to his death in 2011.
… READ ENTIRETY (Why
Did the U.S. Government Recently Purchase 30,000 Guillotines? Posted
by Sharia Unveiled; Sharia Unveiled; 6/19/13)
Snopes (which is a Left orient fact checker) says the 30,000
guillotines story is false:
CLAIM:
The U.S. government has purchased a stockpile of 30,000 guillotines.
FALSE
…
In fact, Congress passed no such
authorization (for the types of guillotines used for chopping off heads, anyway
— smaller guillotines are
used for mundane tasks such as trimming paper), and rumors about the military’s
supposed stockpiling of guillotines for use after a declaration of martial law
(in furtherance of a New World Order conspiracy) are nothing new — they’ve been
around since at least as far back as the George W. Bush
administration in mid-2008. This
is the same old junk in a different package.
An indication of the credibility of
this form of rumor can be gauged by noting that the illustration used to
accompany its most recent outbreak isn’t a photograph of a real guillotine at
all, but rather a picture of a satirical “Chanel guillotine”
sculpture by artist Tom Sachs.
LAST UPDATED:
20 June 2013 –READ ENTIRETY (U.S.
Government Purchases 30,000 Guillotines: Has the U.S. government purchased a
stockpile of 30,000 guillotines? Snopes)
Metabunk on Ted Gunderson:
A friend of mine commented on this
tonight on FB. The current posting is from an anti Muslim site. The original
story goes back to 2008.
It seems to go with FEMA camps, and boxcars with shackles and coffins.
Bunk links:
http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com...vernment-recently-purchase-30000-guillotines/
http://educate-yourself.org/ps/confrimsguillotinesfortlewis28jun08.shtml
It seems to go with FEMA camps, and boxcars with shackles and coffins.
Bunk links:
http://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com...vernment-recently-purchase-30000-guillotines/
http://educate-yourself.org/ps/confrimsguillotinesfortlewis28jun08.shtml
[Addendum by Mick for one-post visitors]:
Basically the debunk for this is that there is absolutely zero evidence besides various versions of the same story on the internet. It's just an urban legend that has been around since the 1990s. Here's an example from 1997:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/revalation_prophecy.htm --READ ENTIRETY (Debunked: Government buys 30,000 guillotines; Metabunk; 6/19/13)
Basically the debunk for this is that there is absolutely zero evidence besides various versions of the same story on the internet. It's just an urban legend that has been around since the 1990s. Here's an example from 1997:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/revalation_prophecy.htm --READ ENTIRETY (Debunked: Government buys 30,000 guillotines; Metabunk; 6/19/13)
AND here is a well-reasoned article by Jack Mullen looking
into the 30,000 guillotines and the retired FBI Agent Ted Gunderson that still
includes a bit of a warning about government tyranny. I enjoyed this article
because there is a clear distinguishing from unreasonable conspiracies and
conclusions based on logical observation:
…
Over the past several years a growing
number of stories refer to guillotines being seen at military bases and prisons
and stories of guillotines replacing the electric chair in Georgia for use in
corporal punishment. These stories are bubbling into the consciousness of
Americans coincident with the transformation of the United States from a nation
of Law to a nation of men and lawlessness.
Concern about guillotines is not a
new topic on the Internet; articles concerning the subject go back to at least
the mid nineties. One of the earlier concerns about guillotines was raised back
in 1995 when Georgia State representative Doug Teper introduced a bill into the
1995-96 Georgia Legislative session under the heading of HB 1274.
The purpose of the bill was to:
To amend Article 2 of Chapter 10 of Title
17 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the death penalty
generally, so as to provide a statement of legislative policy; to provide for
death by guillotine; to provide for applicability; to repeal conflicting laws;
and for other purposes. [1]
Recently this bill has been mentioned
in the context of continuing reports of guillotines being seen on military
bases, in railroad cars, and even outside of newly created secret prisons. The
Georgia bill, however, was not passed in the form written above and according
to the site deathpenaltyinfo.org, the only
method of execution in Georgia is lethal injection. [2] As of now, I can find
no information showing Georgia reconsidering the guillotine as a replacement
for the current system of execution.
The resurfacing of this 1995 Georgia
Legislative Bill is misinformation at time when real information is desperately
needed.
Further interest in guillotines was
ignited when the Southern Poverty Law Center apparently created a story stating
whistleblower, and retired FBI agent, Ted Gunderson made a speech in 2009 to
militia groups in Florida saying the Federal Government had 30,000 guillotines
in stock and ready for deployment in Georgia.
A Tale of Two Gundersons
An alarming report was purportedly
made by retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson in 2009 regarding the stockpiling of
guillotines for use after civil unrest results in large numbers of arrests
funneled to newly created FEMA camps. This report is one of the primary
supporting pillars of information about guillotines in the alternative news
cloud. The problem with this report is it appears to be made up. The origin of
the report finds it way back not to Ted Gunderson, but to a comment made by the
Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a group notorious for starting false rumors
regarding patriot and militia paranoia. The late Ted Gunderson apparently
published no information or articles regarding this information that I can find
on the web or from his archived website here:
Even if there were actually evidence
that Gunderson did mention guillotines to a patriot group in Florida, Gunderson
was long associated with fringe and many times evidence challenged reports
during the course of his post FBI investigations. His statement alone would not
be enough to conclude guillotines were being stockpiled.
Another report referenced in
guillotine articles is a story covered by Pamela Rae Schuffert, at the American
Holocaust Coming blog, regarding railroad cars with shackles being manufactured
by Gunderson Steel Fabrications of Portland Oregon. Now called Gunderson LLC
this railroad car manufacturer is part of a corporate conglomerate called the
Greenbrier Companies. Not just boxcars with shackles, Gunderson is also said to
manufacture guillotines in other articles derived from the boxcar story.
It is very interesting that two of
the primary pieces of information regarding guillotines in America come from
Ted Gunderson, former FBI agent, and Gunderson LLC, manufacturer of railroad
cars and other transportation related products and machines. As far as I can
tell, Ted Gunderson and Gunderson LLC are not affiliated.
…
Inside Sources
Many guillotine articles popping up
on various websites such as beforeitsnews.com describe
guillotines being seen by military insiders and sources wishing to remain
anonymous. These articles talk about the militarys training on the use of the
guillotine and how insiders discovered guillotines packaged and stockpiled on
military bases.
The problem with these stories: a
lack of evidence and the reliance on anonymous insiders as the source of the
information. A quick search at beforeitsnews.com for
articles about guillotines will generate a dozen articles featuring anecdotal
information involving inside sources and references to Ted Gunderson and the
Gunderson boxcar stories.
A recent article at the commonsenseshow.com also
references Ted Gunderson, the Georgia legislation bill and inside sources.
Again, nothing of substance to actually support any facts regarding real
guillotines found or in use.
It is not unreasonable to fear the
government of United States; there are many real indications the Federal
Government is gearing to take some kind of action against Citizens, including
building of apparent prison camps, stockpiling of ammunition, acquisition of
armored vehicles, increasing numbers of armed agencies and more. Mass extermination
is the signature trait of authoritarian rule.
According to a report by Larry
Grathwohl, former FBI agent, The Obama linked Weather Underground Organization
planned, in the 1970s, to incarcerate up to 50 million Americans with exigency
plans to exterminate roughly half of that group. It is easy to visualize the
highly efficient guillotine as a method whereby masses of people might be
exterminated. Also, the real evidence of FEMA camps being constructed in the
fashion of prisons camps around the country also lends emotional support to
this idea.
One argument for the use of
guillotines is based on the idea that after decapitation, the body remains
intact for organ harvesting and other uses. Another argument is the intense
fear and visual horror resulting from use of such medieval style execution.
Imagine the fear resulting as a mass extermination via the guillotine is
transmitted via television, video and the Internet around the world.
But, except in limited uses, I would
argue mass extermination can and, if attempted, will be carried out easier,
faster, and with much less work and human involvement using traditional means.
The Soviet model of working people to death for example or the Nazi model of
mass shootings and gassings. Perhaps a truly modern rendition of the Nazi model
using bio-weapons that can kill tens of thousands of people in a matter of
hours days or weeks.
As Americans wake up to the fact
their Liberty and Justice has been taken away by a global oligarchy of
corporate and banking interests intent on creating a one world government, it
is easy to lose site of important issues that must be addressed if this plan is
to be stopped. Focusing on guillotines and the fear created by these ideas is a
way to distract people from the important work that must be done.
As this country falls deeper into a fully
evolving tyranny, fear management will be of the utmost importance.
Plans are nothing, Planning is
Everything Dwight D. Eisenhower
Americans have got to take back their
local and regional governments and finally State governments. Downsizing these
self important, self organizing, useless, lawless consumers of resources and
lives should be among the highest priority. The Lawful Constitutional Bill of
Rights has been lost as this nation of States self organizes into a Citizen
sanctioned, collectivist, lawless pseudo democracy moving now into fascism and … READ ENTIRETY (SLICING INTO CONSCIOUSNESS : GUILLOTINES; By Jack Mullen; The Government Rag; circa 2015)
Below is a Zero Hedge article critical of the existence of
the U.S. Federal Reserve. This is a Conspiracy that I am absolutely on board
with. So read and realize The Fed is an extra-constitutional organization that
indeed can contribute to political tyranny in the USA.
– In the United States, we are told
that we have a free market system. But in a true free market system, market
forces would determine what interest rates are. We wouldn’t need anyone to “set
interest rates” for us.
And why have we given a private
banking cartel (the Federal Reserve) the authority to create and manage our
money supply? The U.S. Constitution specifically delegates that authority to
Congress.
It is not as if we actually need the
Federal Reserve. In fact, the greatest period of economic growth in U.S.
history happened during the decades before the Federal Reserve was created.
Unfortunately, a little over 100
years ago our leaders decided that it would be best to turn over our financial
future to a newly created private banking cartel that was designed by very
powerful Wall Street interests. Since that time, the value of our currency has
diminished by more than 96 percent and our national debt has gotten more than
5000 times larger.
But despite all of the problems, the
vast majority of Democrats and the vast majority of Republicans are not even
willing to consider slightly curtailing the immense power of the Federal
Reserve. And the idea of getting rid of the Fed altogether is tantamount to
blasphemy to most of our politicians.
Of course the same thing is true all
over the planet. Central banks are truly “the untouchables” of the modern
world. Even though everybody can see what they are doing, there has not been a
single successful political movement anywhere on the globe (that I know about)
to shut a central bank down.
Instead, in recent years we have just
seen the reach of central banking just continue to expand. – READ ENTIRETY (Guess How
Many Nations In The World Do Not Have A Central Bank? By Tyler Durden; Zero Hedge; 6/10/15 6:00
PM)
Blessings,
Jyrki
Jyrki
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Edited by John R. Houk
Commentary in Bold Print by the Editor.
© Jyrki S. & John R. Houk
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