Dialogue between Adam and John Houk
Edited by John R. Houk
© May 10, 2011
This is part one of an interchange between my son Adam Houk and myself that began as thoughts on the acceptability of Mitt Romney being the GOP nominee for the 2012 election against President Barack Hussein Obama.
Along the way the discussion merged with thoughts on the filter Christians should be using with their American right to vote.
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Adam:
Subject: Mitt Romney
I have noticed in my readings that this is the leading candidate to make the Republican Party ticket so I went on to read about his political views. After this I was very disappointed and came to the conclusion that I would rather put a write in for the presidential candidate than vote for this guy and I will do a write in instead of voting for him. In hopes of not being forced to do this I thought I would send you 2 an email in hopes that you could spread the information in order to vote for someone better in the primaries. Here are the reprehensible views of why I would rather vote for someone else. Here is some info I have found on Wikipedia.
"I am pro-life. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. "
A baby is a baby no matter how it is created whether it was incest or rape and should never be destroyed. It even gets much worse than this as I have found and will show.
Romney was photographed attending a Planned Parenthood fundraiser in 1994, and his wife made a $150 contribution to the organization.
It is my opinion that anyone that donates to Planned Parenthood supports their racist views and their driven need to abort babies.
In a 1994 debate with Senator Kennedy, Romney said that abortion should be legal, declaring that "regardless of one's beliefs about choice, you would hope it would be safe and legal."
And more Statements by Romney
"I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law, and the right of a woman to make that choice, and my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign."
And another statement by Romney when accused of being multi-choice
"I have my own beliefs, and those beliefs are very dear to me. One of them is that I do not impose my beliefs on other people. "
The last statement is the same as saying I don't believe one human being should murder another but I have no right to impose my beliefs on someone else so murder should be legal. It is ridiculous. I in no way believe that Romney would ever sign anything into law that would protect the innocent life of the unborn. This is not a pro-life stance at all but pro-choice.
Help us get a better candidate to vote for.
John:
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney
Yes Mitt Romney is what is known as a Republican in Name Only (RINO). Personally I doubt he will win the Republican nomination for two reasons. The primary reason is that Romney as Governor of Massachusetts set up a mandated healthcare system in his State. With a majority of Americans showing that Obamacare is not favorable I doubt Republicans will place the man who invented Romneycare will win the nomination. The secondary reason is the power of the Christian Right. You see Romney is a Mormon. Mormonism is regarded as a cult spinoff of Christianity that does not believe Jesus is coequal with the Father. In fact Mormons believe that Jesus was a created being along with Lucifer, thus making Lucifer out as Jesus' brother. Lucifer erred in his ways and became Satan. Mormonism is a kind of battle between good and evil in the Gnostic sense.
On the other hand, if Romney does pull an upset and win the nomination I will vote for him. Trust me he will be the lesser of two evils in which President Barack Hussein Obama is an uber-evil American Leftist. Obama must be voted out so he does not have another four years of transforming America into the Leftist vision of a socialist utopia.
Adam:
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney
I'm done voting for the lesser of 2 evils. If we cannot put a righteous candidate up for election we deserve our fate. I will only vote for a candidate that is holding with God's principles. Ask yourself this would God vote for the lesser of 2 evils, no God would give us up to our evil ways and let us destroy ourselves and start judgment as he did with Israel. I send this email out in order to avoid having Romney as the Republican Candidate, but if this fails I will try and popularize a write in President. This is a possible win. Just look at Alaska, they did it.
It is time we draw the line. Until we stand up for beliefs wholeheartedly and replace this congregation of corrupt politicians we aren't ever going to be able to turn our country back to God. It is time we proclaim the word of God openly and everywhere publicly as God has told us when he told us to go into the world to seek and save the lost.
John:
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney
Don't get mad because I disagree with you. The last time I voted for the righteous cause instead of the lesser of two evils, President Slick Willie Clinton became President. The Republican was incumbent George G.W. Bush (aka Bush 1). The Dem of course was Clinton. I voted for third Party candidate Ross Perot who had the righteous cause back then. I distrusted Bush 1 because of his involvement with Watergate and a questionable CIA stint. I knew Clinton would be a Leftist politically and anti-Social Values. I loved Perot. So did many others. The reality though was Perot siphoned off Conservative voters that allowed Clinton to squeak out a win. The evil Clinton went to be so popular with the voters he was reelected, then impeached and then received a not-guilty from 40 Dem Senators and enough Republicans to score that victory for Clinton (I am uncertain but I think it was 12 Republicans).
I cannot allow my conscience to be responsible for helping Barack Hussein Obama win a 2nd term. Regardless though, as the nominee selection process narrows done to a winner, I doubt that it will be Mitt Romney. He was the favorite for awhile for the nomination in 2008 as well. He ended finishing behind Huckabee and the eventual winner John McCain.
Adam:
Subject: RE: Mitt Romney
I'm not mad, but I am frustrated. I think you place the responsibility on the wrong person/people. It is not the fault of those that voted for Ross Perot that Clinton was elected but those of evil and ignorant hearts that voted for Clinton. God's path is a narrow and most will choose the wide gate. To choose the path of a lesser of 2 evils is still that evil. There are many paths to evil but only 1 path to God. Until the Christian community overwhelmingly stands up for what it believes in we will not be heard. Did the apostles listen when they were told not to preach in the name of Jesus on the streets of Jerusalem? They said they had to do what God had in store for them to do. If any one candidate has major policies that are incredibly out of line with God's word, we as Christians have a duty to communicate with each other and pick a candidate that is within the Word of God and write them in. We cannot compromise when it comes to the word of God. That which you feed will grow. Even if we feed sin ever so minor it is a seed that can grow and it has grown abundantly in our country. It is time we kick out the compromising population of politics and put in place candidates that are bold and will hold their ground. Only then can we turn America around politically. Of course this won't happen until we start turning America around at the base level, with the people.
As I said before if we can't put forth a candidate that is in holding with God's word then we deserve our fate as a nation, and as Habakkuk said as he cried out to the lord about why he hasn't judged Israel for its wickedness “for the wicked doth compass about the righteous; therefore wrong judgement proceedeth.”
And like in his day, we here in the latter days are starting to experience the birthing pains of this world as the wrath of God is upon us. If we cannot turn this nation around now by standing for God, our country will then be consumed as the rest the world.
Revelations 3:15-16
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
John:
RE: Mitt Romney
Adam your stick-to-it-ness is quite admirable. You are correct in one thing, people get what they deserve. Whatsoever is sown is that which is reaped. Consider this though:
1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, (I Tim. 2: 1-6 NKJV)
In these days of libertinism it is up to the Believers to pray for those in authority. As ghastly as it sounds this even means President Obama as he is in the Office of President. Nonetheless, if the majority of Republicans miss it on the best nominee to replace Obama with, it is up to you, me and other Believers to pray for Mitt Romney. If Romney is the too wrong for the Office of President, the Father will allow Obama to be reelected as the just deserts to those who miss the prompting of the Holy Spirit. I am guessing Romney if selected would be God’s choice much like the likes of Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus and Ahasuerus (aka Xerxes) were choices of God as instruments of God’s will toward bringing His Chosen People back to repentance.
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. (Rom. 13: 1-3 NKJV)
Even many of the Righteous Kings of Israel and Judah had sin in their life but were still used as instruments of God, especially the big dog of Jesus’ human bloodline King David. David had a problem with lust and so did the wing ding with another man’s wife – adultery. Then David attempted to cover-up his adultery by having Bathsheba’s husband come home from war so that he would have conjugal relations to cover David’s impregnation of Bathsheba. Then when that failed, David had Uriah the husband sent back to the battle line with instructions for Uriah to hand to General Joab. The instructions were to order Uriah to lead the frontline of an offense which ended as David had hoped with Uriah’s death – murder.
Again I have to make the point I would be very surprised in this climate of the Tea Party Movement that a Republican with a mixed bag of politics to offer as his bona fides would win the Republican nomination. My mind could change but my support currently is in the hope that Sarah Palin will run for President. She espouses both fiscal and Biblical values (growing up in the Pentecostal Assembly of God in Alaska) in the Conservatism she has to offer. As realist though I am sad to say Palin does not hold broad Republican support even though she was instrumental in getting many long shot Republicans elected that were Tea Partiers as well as making long shots make a close run even though the long shots barely lost.
Where am I going here? I am going with it is more important for Believers to pray than it is to vote even though there is also a responsibility to vote. In praying for those in authority we need to pray for the best candidate to win nominations and to win the political Offices so that whatever the will of God is, we as Christians may live a peaceable and fruitful life in Christ.
JRH 5/10/11
END OF PART ONE
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Part two will be delivered tomorrow. In writing this interchange between Adam and I spell check and personal editing were involved to make up for both of our quick jotting of thoughts via email. All links even in Adam’s are provided by the Editor.
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