All other speculation is Conspiracy Theory
John R. Houk
© February 27, 2015
Below is an exchange between myself (John Houk) and Robert Cold. I suspect there are many things that I and Robert agree upon; however in my humble opinion Robert relies too much on Conspiracy Theory as authenticated Conspiracy Fact. After setting the stage with the exchange between us I will proceed to demonstrate why I believe Robert’s assertion are unproven Conspiracy Theories with little concrete evidence in fact. Everything else is pure speculation.
John Houk Manuel Bush had many things I disagreed with, being a terrorist is not one of them. Robert, although it is a bit suspicious that Osama was dumped into the ocean, but I have heard enough SEALS to believe the freaking terrorist who will be credited for starting WWIII in the future that I am convinced it was NOT a body-double - That's just moronic conspiracy theory.
February 25 at 11:06am . (2/25/15)
Robert Cold Hey John Houk ......you don't still believe that the navy dumped Osama into sea do you? It came out long ago that, even that was a lie. Where have you been? Even crewmen on board the ship have blown the whistle on that one. You really need to do investigative journalism if you are going to be in journalism. There are enough re-writers already. Too many in fact.
Yesterday at 3:09am · (2/26/15)
Robert here are the facts about bin Laden’s burial at sea:
Every source that claims he was not buried at sea have no proof except for the Obama Administration’s refusal to show photos or video. No proof means it’s speculation rather than an exposé!
On the other hand there are credible reasons for not showing photos and videos. All the reasons have to do with the politics of appeasement and Obama’s policies of stroking the Muslim mind so to avoid offenses – like that is working.
The only Conspiracy Theory that came close to a smoking gun was the notorious WikiLeaks
hacking … err … I mean intercepted some emails from STRAFOR vice-president Fred Burton communicating this:
‘… believes the body was “bound for Dover, [Delaware] on [a] CIA plane” and then “onward to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Bethesda [Maryland],”an email says.’ (Leaked: Bin Laden not buried at sea, body moved on CIA plane to US; RT.com [meaning Russia Today as in Putin propaganda machine]; 3/6/12 09:29 – updated 3/6/12 14:28)
RT.com further reports that the WikiLeaks stolen email quotes Burton as saying:
"If body dumped at sea, which I doubt, the touch is very Adolph Eichman like. The Tribe did the same thing with the Nazi's ashes," Burton commented in another email. Eichman was one of the masterminds of the Holocaust by Nazi Germany. He was captured by Mossad agents in Argentina and, tried in Israel, found guilty and executed in 1962. His body was cremated and his ashes were scattered at sea over the Mediterranean.
"Eichmann was seen alive for many months on trial before being sentenced to death and executed. No one wanted a monument to him so they cremated him. But i dont know anyone who claimed he wasnt eicjhman [sic]. No comparison with suddenly burying him at sea without any chance to view him which i doubt happened [sic],"Stratfor CEO George Friedman replied.
"The US Govt needs to make body pics available like the MX's do, with OBL's pants pulled down, to shout down the lunatics like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck," Burton says in another message.
In another missive Burton says Osama’s body “is a crime scene and I don’t see the FBI nor DOJ letting that happen.”
WikiLeaks began publishing Stratfor emails in late February. The archive was obtained by the hacker group Anonymous, which successfully attacked one of the firm’s servers. More than 5 million emails were apparently stolen. [RT.com uses italic to indicate the email from Burton and STRATFOR CEO George Friedman.] (Ibid.)
Let’s talk about facts Robert. The RT.com story came out in 2011. STRATFOR debunks Putin propaganda with this info:
In February 2013, Fox News (1) reported that the hacker group Anonymous claimed to have obtained emails that were part of 2.7 million emails they downloaded from Stratfor Global Intelligence (a geopolitical intelligence firm providing strategic analysis and forecasting). (2)
The emails were then posted on WikiLeaks, but Stratfor claimed the hackers may have forged and altered many of the emails.
The official company response was that Anonymous were thieves and the company would not be victimized a second time by defending or explaining to the public about their stolen property of confidential emails.
The report also mentioned that members of the offshoot hacking group LulzSec were arrested by the FBI around the same time that the emails were leaked.
When the AFIP was closed in September 2011, it was moved to the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center (WRNMMC) in Washington, DC. According to the US National Library of Medicine, the AFIP was located at 6900 Georgia Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20306 as part of the Walter Reed complex. (7)
By the time Osama Bin Laden was killed, the AFIP was in the process of shutting down the Georgia Avenue location and moving across campus to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center. It’s very unlikely if the body was being transported back to the US instead of being buried at sea that it would have been taken to the AFIP.
It’s pointed out on various online forums that Burton’s later emails state that he was mistaken and that Bin Laden had been buried at sea. It’s evident that these emails were simply one person’s speculations about what might have happened or what was going to happen. Yet, they became a centerpiece of a conspiracy theory about the disposal of the terrorist’s body.
The facts were distorted by the speculation of someone perceived as an authority and were taken as inside knowledge. This untruth was repeated over and over as a truth and soon became a commonly held belief. (Why Some Believe Bin Laden Was Not Dumped At Sea; By SallyPainter; Top Secret Writers; 12/9/14 10:00)
Now here is the political reason bin Laden was buried at sea rather than made public. When the SEALS gunned the old Islamic terrorist down, they were not finished taking out vengeance on the murdering creep’s corpse. Several SEALs took turns emptying their magazine into the already dead body. Essentially this made bin Laden unrecognizable. If photos were released I suspect most Americans would say, “I want a turn.” BUT Obama is a Leftist concerned about reelection in 2012 and concerned about the poor feelings of global Muslims that a dead Muslim got what he deserved. Here’s some Breitbart excerpts from 2014 (again way after Conspiracy Theories emerged):
Special operators involved in the mission to take out Osama bin Laden say the reason photos of his body weren’t released is because they would have shown a body riddled with bullet holes.
Carried in a report published by the Daily Mail, “the report from a website well known within the intelligence and armed services community claims that the sheer number of times Osama bin Laden was shot is the reason why the government never released photos.”
The “Special Operations Forces Situation Report” describes how “operator after operator took turns dumping magazines-worth of ammunition into bin Laden’s body.”
The report has raised questions about whether excessive force was shown to the man so singularly identified with the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and Shanksville, PA.
SEAL Team Six member Mark Bissonnette wrote about taking down bin Laden in No Easy Day. In the book, he described firing extra rounds into bin Laden’s body because the terror leader was “still twitching and convulsing” after the first shots. (REPORT: OSAMA BIN LADEN 'SHOT MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED TIMES'; By AWR HAWKINS; Breitbart.com – National Security; 3/14/14)
Even a Chechen newswire extremely friendly to Islam believes bin Laden was killed by SEALs but has a different reason for bin Laden’s kill photos not ever being shown. This sentiment is the current closest thing that gives a reason bin Laden wasn’t dumped in the sea (entire article):
When Obama announced the assassination by his thugs of Sheikh Osama bin Laden (may Allah have mercy on him), and then different versions of what happened began to appear in western media, people familiar with methods of democratic propaganda and disinformation immediately expressed their doubts about the trustworthiness of all these stories.
Too obvious was an American desire to present Sheikh Osama bin Laden in a negative light, to insult and humiliate his memory and say things just the opposite of what his character and background had been.
The American refusal to provide at least photos or video of the body of bin Laden and a dubious story of a burial in the sea, according to the canons of Islam, further strengthened the suspicion that the Americans were simply lying.
What did not help, either, were obviously staged scandals and leaks of "classified information" about a storm of the house of Osama bin Laden and his assassination, which were periodically distributed in the form of interviews, books and TV shows.
The last leak of disinformation were recent statements of an alleged former bodyguard of the Emir of al-Qaida, A certain Abdul Fattah said that bin Laden supposedly blew himself up with a martyr bomber's belt with which he never parted. That is why the Americans did not show his body, he claims.
However, the story is false and intended to hide the truth about bin Laden's martyrdom.
So what did really happen in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad in the night of May 2, 2011?
The question is answered by the wife of Sheikh Osama bin Laden, a native of Yemen, Amal al-Sada, who was with her husband at the time of the storming of the house where he accepted martyrdom. (After the publication of this news, it was deleted by the administration of TwiMail, but the text is also posted on YouTube and has not been removed so far).
Amal al-Sada told the real story of the Sheikh's martyrdom, and revealed the secret of the disappearance of his body.
Here is her story:
- "When the attack started and soldiers began to descend from helicopters, the brothers, who were in the house at the time, entered into battle with them. The clash was heavy and intense.
American soldiers and the Pakistani army soldiers were those who attacked our house. They acted together.
There were so many of them. They quickly spread all over the yard and the house. A fierce battle followed.
At the time of the assault, Osama was in his room. He immediately took a gun and ran to the window. In the first few minutes of the shooting, a bullet hit him in his face, and he immediately accepted martyrdom, Insha'Allah.
And it was the grace of Allah for the Sheikh.
The Americans, after a while, entered the room and found Sheikh Osama martyred.
They took the body, carried him out of the house and loaded into a helicopter which belonged to American marines.
When the helicopter took off, while it was in the air, there was a very loud explosion. Probably the helicopter was shot down. It caught fire and exploded in the air. Parts of the helicopter fell to the ground. Everyone in the helicopter was killed, and their bodies were torn to pieces. The same happened to the Sheikh's body.
The Americans wanted to show the martyred Sheikh Osama around the world to demonstrate their victory, but Allah destroyed their plans.
Allah took away from them even the body of Osama bin Laden. They were left with nothing, so the Americans had to come up with a story about his burial in the sea. Allah protected Sheikh in life and protected him from his enemies after his death.
May Allah grant him martyrdom and Gardens of Firdaus in higher degrees of Paradise!"
In addition to this story, recall that some time after the events in Abbottabad, in August of 2011, the Americans leaked, through Fox TV, that in Afghanistan, the Mujahideen of the Islamic Emirate had shot down a helicopter which belonged to "Team 6" of the American navy who participated in the storm of the house of Emir of al-Qaeda. 22 "SEALS" thugs were killed. Obama expressed his condolences to the families and friends of the marines.
It is possible that this leak was an attempt to cover the losses of Americans killed in the helicopter with the body of Osama bin Laden and the marines in Abbottabad on the night of May 2, 2011. (Americans lied. Sheik Osama bin Laden's wife tells truth about his martyrdom; By Department of Monitoring; KavcazCenter.com: 6/15/13 01:09)
Frankly I don’t place a lot of stock in Muslim propaganda than I do with Putin propaganda; however one thing is for sure, bin Laden was killed May 2, 2011, shortly after 1:00 am PKT by SEAL Team 6. The only dispute here is was he buried at sea or get blown up in a crashing helicopter.
Mr. Robert Cold, these are the facts.
Spellcheck editing ran by the Editor. In some cases the “ignore” button was pressed.